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michael j
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Pride of Scotland? Reply with quote

Heard on the news that a 7 year old boy and his father were attacked in Scotland yesterday for wearing an England top. In another incident, also in Scotland, a disabled bloke was dragged from his car and assaulted for flying a flag on his car and wearing an England top. Obviously these made the headlines because they're kinda extreme, so I wonder how many racist assaults actually took place.
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

No doubt if it were English fans attacking black T&T supporters, we'd have a top-level police taskforce looking into the matter.
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I often find myself shocked at the english's naivity about how extreme some scottish people are to their hatred of the english. Unfortunately these attacks are quite common, but to be fair being english is one of a myriad of reasons as to why you can get your head kicked in. Scotlands a very violent place and in certain areas you'd be safer walking the streets of Northern Ireland with the wrong t-shirt as you would be to walk down some streets of scotland wearing an english top.

I'm not condoning the attacks, just pointing out the reality of the situation.
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Re: Pride of Scotland? Reply with quote

michael j wrote:
so I wonder how many racist assaults actually took place


Thats not a racist attack.
Race is Black,white asian etc.

They were attacked because they were wearing England Flags in Scotland. dont know what the word is for that.

Still, it is a disgrace. they should be ashamed of themselves. they have no right in calling themselves Scottish.
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Re: Pride of Scotland? Reply with quote

RI_HA wrote:
michael j wrote:
so I wonder how many racist assaults actually took place


Thats not a racist attack.
Race is Black,white asian etc.

They were attacked because they were wearing England Flags in Scotland. dont know what the word is for that.

Still, it is a disgrace. they should be ashamed of themselves. they have no right in calling themselves Scottish.


Sorry but if you heard the news they are being treated as racist attacks !!!and so they bloody should.

And while on the subject does this " Thats not a racist attack.
Race is Black,white asian etc." mean that you really think racism is only about colour?? because if you do then i sugest you take a step outside your tiny world anf catch up with every body else .
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is rascist, I'm afraid.

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The ICERD (International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination) defines racism as follows:
“Any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment, or exercise, on equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural, or any other field of public life.”


https://www.sahrc.org.za/definition_of_racism.htm
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW I find it embarrassing that as a nation, Scotland is the most rascist in the UK. Incidents like these show us up to be a bunch of fuckwits and it completely detracts from the real issues scotland has with england.
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

craigie b wrote:
That is rascist, I'm afraid.

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The ICERD (International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination) defines racism as follows:
“Any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment, or exercise, on equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural, or any other field of public life.”


https://www.sahrc.org.za/definition_of_racism.htm


Ahh cheers
Always believed that racist meaning race was white asian etc. and not about nationality. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not naive to the hatred towards the english. I personally wouldn't fly the flag on my car if I was to visit Scotland, Wales or NI. I was more disgusted with the fact that a child and a person with disabilities was attacked.
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

When i go to uni in aberdeen in september i may invest in a few scotland football tops to stop me getting jumped. Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gets a sheeps outfit m8, they'll all love you. Thumbs Up Wink
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

markcatate wrote:
When i go to uni in aberdeen in september i may invest in a few scotland football tops to stop me getting jumped. Laughing



Make sure to check thats its an celtic or rangers area first before you make a mistake Shocked Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

tatters wrote:
markcatate wrote:
When i go to uni in aberdeen in september i may invest in a few scotland football tops to stop me getting jumped. Laughing



Make sure to check thats its an celtic or rangers area first before you make a mistake Shocked Laughing


I don't think I'd wear either in Aberdeen to be honest Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr.Everready wrote:
Gets a sheeps outfit m8, they'll all love you. Thumbs Up Wink

Indeed we will Laughing Wink
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW in my experience some people and places in Scotland are very racist, nasty and hostile to anyone English. I know I've felt uncomfortable. However, some other places and people are as hospitable and friendly as you could wish.

So just like any other place/country then.

I guess it is a racist thing, or maybe an inferiority thing, who can tell. Is there a psychologist in the forum?

FYI this link has the story that this thread is about.
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Living in Aberdeen all my life, ive never seen any racism towards anyone because they are English and apparently there is quite a high English poplulation in Aberdeen.
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

cruisin chris wrote:
...apparently there is quite a high English poplulation in Aberdeen.

That'll probably be from when the oil fields/platforms/support were making the big money.
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah quite likely, i work in the oil industry and id say about 10% of the staff in my work are English. And they never get any hassle.

Oh, the oil fields etc are still making big money Very Happy
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand that the Scots may have historical gripes against the English, (what nation doesn't?) but it's unacceptable to me that this anti-English prejudice is ignored by the authorities.

We have the West Lothian question, the £1400 per head bonus from the Exchequer to the Scottish Parliment, and we have hundreds of thousands of Scots kicking around the place, moaning about how terrible we are while making their living here.

Jews often complain that anti-semitism is the last acceptable prejudice - I put to you that anti-Englandism is still hanging in there too!
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

what gets me is.. a womans husband who i work with is scottish and he lives in england obviously.

he supports man city every week (not rangers even though he wears thier shirt all the time Confused )

when the world cup is on though he cheers on the other team that are playing against england.

i mean if scotland is so great and he hates england that much to live here for 30 years why doesnt he fuck off back home?.
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

tony532 wrote:

I mean if scotland is so great and he hates england that much to live here for 30 years why doesnt he fuck off back home?.


Because he lives there with his wife obviously and maybe the love he has for her is greater than the love he feels for scotland perhaps? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's gotta be jealousy aint it?

We get sunnier and warmer weather, we don't have dodgy accents, bar above the Midlands and we have fitter ladies.

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PostPosted: 22:15 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

and we can play football ( well, sort of Confused )
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Con ->

Arogant tossers when it comes to football.

Yep definetly a con Thumbs UpWink
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 21 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just aswell I'm not wearing my England top, eh?
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