had a accident this morning- chain fitting?

[shaba2000]

I was riding on dual carridgeway this morning on way to work in middle lane car in right lane suddenly realised he was in wrong lane and pulled his car into mine causing me to brake and the bike went down with me on it acorss the dual carridgeway.

lucky for me the cars behind stopped in time so didnt get run over!

my bike is in suprisingly good condition, its more me who is more damaged.

the chain on it came off and now is bent, and gear lever bent with broken side indicator.. was wondering if i get a new chain how easy is it to fit it?

[0ddball]

It depends if you have a chain riveter (£40 for a cheapo, £100 for the best). If you have it's straight forward.

If not you can get the new chain riveted at a bike shop (only about £3) and slip the swing arm out enough to get the chain on. Not as straight forward but still pretty easy.

[shaba2000]

sorry to sound stupid but what the swing arm? is it teh metal frame near the small cog in middle of bike?

[MattHirst]

Its the part that your rear wheel fastens to and roughly just behind the engine it will be on a pivot...with a rear shock attatched to the frame and swinging arm.

Depending on what bike you have, your rear shock will be enclosed up in the frame, or exposed towards the rear of the bike.

Here is a pic of a swinging arm

https://www.worldendurance.co.uk/05/albacete/alba05051902.jpg

Just a random piccy i found on the net...

HTH
Matt

[Rit]

Not having actually bought a new chain yet and as it is only a couple of quid or so to get one riveted together, do they also come with a split link so you could at least ride down to the shop?
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[MattHirst]

I think just about every chain has a split link because no matter how hard you tried, you'd never get it on.

The people that can rivet them will only shorted it down and rivet it back to the split link, then you use the split link to get it on your sprockets and then fix it together via a removable rivot in the split link.

Please correct me if i am wrong

Matt

[0ddball]

New chains come as one long length which is unjoined. You can either join both ends with

a split link

https://www.gussetbikes.com/gusset/product_images/thumbs/chgu-316-slink.jpg

or a rivet link.

https://www.reginachain.it/eng/use_and_maintenance/images/trasmissione_04.jpg

The rivet link is said to be stronger and recommended for powerful bikes.

[shaba2000]

thanks for replies..

my chain has actually bent it sits on the cogs but is not straight, so will deffo need a new chain..

have been quoted £150 by shop for chain, sprockets, and fitting?

this sound fair?

[mr jamez]

If the chain has snapped and doesn't sit 'straight' I would be concerned that the swing arm or frame has been bent in some way. What bike is it? the cost of a kit varies from about £20 to £100, £150 seems a bit steep to me even if it is a large sporstbike.
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[0ddball]

Depends on the make and type of the chain. They range (starting with the cheapest lowest quality)

standard < heavy duty < O ring < X ring.

I replaced mine a few months back and paid £70 for a D.I.D O ring chain and JT sprockets. Then £3 for the chain joining and i used the swingarm moving method.

So it's possible to do it for half that quoted price if you get you hands dirty.

Looks like thay are charging at least £80 labour which seems a bit much. The biggest bike shop in my area which are well known for being expensive only charge £45 fitting. But i don't know what London rates are like.

[Ichy]

[Vin]

While not wishing to upset/have a go at anyone see this pic of a split link. Most of you know already but I didn't want anyone to look at the prevoius picture and get confused about what is included in a split link.

[edd]

I dont see how you can have bent your chain really, they move an awful lot across the whole travel. Not that its not possible mind. Id check that your rear end alignment is right before shelling out for a chain of that price.

Also this might sound like a stupid question, but if some blind cager wiped you out, why arent you riding a nice shiny courtesy bike while his insurance company repairs your bike at their cost?
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[shaba2000]

the guy that cut me just drove off without a worry. the cars behind saw it but no one got his plate, he was driving so fast.

the chain came off the sprocket and got stuck in the swing arm, and as me and some helpful driver were trying to move the bike off the carridgeway it just made the chain worse.

then the recovery driver came and we had to pic the back end up and push onto recovery truck which made it even worse cause the chain was stick in the swingarm bit..

the rear wheel is aligned okay but chain is pysically bent kind of twiseted. it has not snapped. will take a pic tom once i get the feelings back in my hands!

can i just buy a chain and fit it or do they all comes with the sprockets?

it is a 1996 kawasaki gpz500s by the way.
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[THCi]

Id personally recommend replacing sprokets with a new chain.

Simply because normally it comes to be that chains and sprockets wear at a similar rate-a wearing chain will cause the front spoket to 'hook' (see this pic). Ive had one where the actual spines on the sprocket ended in a sharp point (I wondered why my new chain only lasted a month )

Look in your owners manual for a more exacting spec for your sprockets, they should have nice and smooth edges.

Total pricing for DIYing it:

Front Sprocket: M&P JT Sprocket £7.00
Rear Sprocket: M&P JT Sprocket £11.25
Chain: Here I draw a blank, M&P have got a Gold X-Ring for £70 (I wouldnt pay that much!) Here
Chain Riveter: M&P 'Heavy Duty Chain Splitter' £19.99 (questionable quality for that kind of money, but should do the job)

As you can see, even if you went for the Gold X-Ring chain, it would cost you a LOT less than you were quoted. Bear in mind that you would need a rather large (24+ mm) socket and 1/2" drive to get the front sprocket off, and the rear will be a bitch as well. Probably coated with enough chain lube that any tool you apply will just come straight off.

DIY-it, battle scars are always fun!
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[0ddball]

Iirc the 2 front sprocket bolts are 8mm and it's literaly less than a 2 min job.

The rear is 6 13mm nuts and is easy too providing the threads are in good condition.

[THCi]

No need for 24mm+ socket then. Why was he quoted £150 for fitment and supply of ~£70 worth of metal?

I want to be a bike mechanic for 15 mins work earning £80! Cash in hand some of it as well!
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[ZRX61]

Anyone else hearing alarm bells here? The guy not only has a Kaw 500 & doesn't have the first bloody clue what a swingarm is, but the chain was apparently so bloody slack it "fell off" the rear sprocket from a minor prang???

[0ddball]

I guess so but if someone's going to learn, it's best they do so on a cheapish simple bike. And hands on is the best experience.

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[Teaman]

you sure the rear wheel wasnt knocked, when you put the chain on did you push a bit onto the rear cog and push the bike backwards? if so your a numpty,
if you were able to slot it back on Id check the rear wheel alignment, Ive not heared of a crash and nothing other than a bent chain has happend, take a long hard look over your bike, or preferably if your not exactly sure on what to look for , get someone who does (not just says they do) know what there looking for, tiz your life at the end of the day.
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[shaba2000]

no the rear wheel was not knocked. A car just came right into my lane causing me to swirve and brake at same time doing aorund 50 mph which caused the bike to fall to ground.

the chain is deffo bent it does not sit straight on the sprockets at all. i think i will do the job myself from calculating the costs it will be around £150 for chain, sprockets, tool, rear stand etc but at least i get to keep the tool for future use.

i apprecaite al advice guys sorry to keep buggin everone this bike has been nothing but bad luck and every time i try to get it to selling standards something happens!! but hey only been riding around 4 months so i guess its a learning experience. spent more on my bikee then my car!
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[THCi]

The GPZ not got a centre stand? Thats all you really need.

It WONT cost you £150, as I pointed out total cost for sprockets, chain & tool was 90, which included £70 of chain-over board IMHO, unless its a sportsbike I wouldnt put a Gold XRing on my bike! Standard XRing yes, gold no.

Your local bike shop should do chain-on-a-roll at a much better price, roll chain tends to be stronger as well.
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