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PostPosted: 17:23 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: New Tyres.....scary Reply with quote

Just got some new Dunlop 208s fitted to the Gixxer. First time to be honest that I've had new tyres on a sportsbike. The guy who fitted them put the fear of God into me warning of the 'running in' period. Take it really easy, ride like it's wet, for the first 50 miles or so, no hard acceleration or hard braking, watch your cornering.

Apparently they are not any use for scratching until 100 miles or so.

Any one else had any experiences of brand new tyres and how did you cope with them.
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure about that advise, seems a bit over cautious to me, i've had new tires fitted to my ZX10R and have ridden at about 50% for the first 10 miles are so and then they're pretty much scrubbed in and ready to rock!
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me too, just had a new set of Bridgestone BT-014s put on and basically ran em in normally for about a 100miles.

They seem fine now but I have bit of a quandry too....

"Taking it easy" implies not ragging it around, not being to eager with the right hand, and not trying to grind off your pegs. If that's the case then how do you "run in" the entire tyre? Surely the first time you go all the way over it's going to be on virgin rubber no?? Question
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

This has been talked about so many times. Lots of theorys flying around over how many miles you need to do etc...

To be honest, the releasing agent wears off after about 100 yards, but give it a few miles for them to warm up, and lean gently and slowly the first few times. You'll be fine, just go easy.

If you really want, you can use a brilo pad and some brake cleaner / carb cleaner to get the agent off the tyre. Good trick I learnt! Wink Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll feel them let go, if they do, way before you're in any real strife. It is a bit of a horrible experience for the first few miles though.
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barry_MC21 wrote:
This has been talked about so many times. Lots of theorys flying around over how many miles you need to do etc...

To be honest, the releasing agent wears off after about 100 yards, but give it a few miles for them to warm up, and lean gently and slowly the first few times. You'll be fine, just go easy.

If you really want, you can use a brilo pad and some brake cleaner / carb cleaner to get the agent off the tyre. Good trick I learnt! Wink Thumbs Up


Jeez shows how clueless I am Embarassed ......releasing agent?Question ?

What the hell is that?Question ? And why would you put it on a tyre?Question ? Surely you want tyre to grip as soon as its out the box so to speak?Question ? Christ sounds a stupid as a parachute that takes a few impacts before opening fully..... Neutral


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PostPosted: 17:44 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found that wearing off all the balled up rubber on the edge of well used scrubbed race tires was far more dodgy than brand new tires Neutral
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Releasing agent is used so they can be taken out of the mould the tyres are cast in.
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonboy22 wrote:
[ ......releasing agent?Question ?

What the hell is that?Question ? And why would you put it on a tyre?Question ?


To get it out of the mould just after its made. Wink

they dont bother cleaning it off, which is why then need 'running in' so to speak. Its just to get the releasing agent off the tyre.

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PostPosted: 17:46 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just realised i've been spelling tyres wrong for years Embarassed
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dark wrote:
I've just realised i've been spelling tyres wrong for years Embarassed


Nah, you've just been americanised you traitor! Evil or Very Mad

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PostPosted: 17:55 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jack_Cheese wrote:
Dark wrote:
I've just realised i've been spelling tyres wrong for years Embarassed


Nah, you've just been americanised you traitor! Evil or Very Mad

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ARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! Really?!?! I thought that would never happen! what am i going to do ? Doh!
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! Really?!?! I thought that would never happen! what am i going to do ? Doh!


Ironically, go and get your gun. Wink
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got a new 208 dunny on the back today £112 gone Sad , tbh it felt good from the second I left the shop, maybe thats because I have been running a bald tyre for so long Shocked or the fact its almost as wide as a car tyre 190/70!

When my old GSXR had both tyre's done, it was kinda butt clenching as they left the huge stickers on both wheels which I failed to notice. Felt like the bike was trying to fall in a straight line.
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was pretty worried about my new rear tyre as well, Ive gone threw alot of racing slicks and there crap to start off with.

But the road ones are ok, just dont go mental, ride like your surposed to ride, legally ( "Aww what", I hear you cry:)
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends a lot on the make of tyre. Conti's and Avon's seem to stick like glue from the moment you drive off the garage forecourt due to them using a different method of releasing their tyres from the moulds. Others slide around a bit more. A point to remember is that it's not just the release agent to be wary of. On a new tyre the surface is smoother than a baby's backside and takes a few miles to roughen up before it works at it's best.

However whatever the tyre brand, as a general rule of thumb the hotter the day is (and so the hotter the road) the quicker you can scrub them in. On my current set (Conti RA's) which were fitted on a really hot day I had completely removed the chicken strips within 15miles Cool
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

extreme3d wrote:
On my current set (Conti RA's) which were fitted on a really hot day I had completely removed the chicken strips within 15miles Cool


I scrubbed in a front at Brands in 2 laps (2 miles), right to the edge.
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barry_MC21 wrote:
extreme3d wrote:
On my current set (Conti RA's) which were fitted on a really hot day I had completely removed the chicken strips within 15miles Cool


I scrubbed in a front at Brands in 2 laps (2 miles), right to the edge.


On a track that sounds about right.
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fully endorse the overuse of caution whilst breaking in new tires. Especially with Dunlops. My last set, a pair of 208ZRs felt greasy for the first 20 miles of hard riding but didn't really return any ill effects. While running in my current set of Dunlop Qualifiers I noted the same 'greasy' feeling while at any kind of lean angle but didn't let it bother me. Until the rear let loose in a turn at only partial throttle and I got a nasty little snap from the rear end. Could have been worse but still a scary little reminder to play nice. So for the love of God be mindful of fresh rubber.

The BT014s I had, though, were ready for action from the word go. So go figure.
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

california_rookie wrote:
I fully endorse the overuse of caution whilst breaking in new tires. Especially with Dunlops. My last set, a pair of 208ZRs felt greasy for the first 20 miles of hard riding but didn't really return any ill effects. While running in my current set of Dunlop Qualifiers I noted the same 'greasy' feeling while at any kind of lean angle but didn't let it bother me. Until the rear let loose in a turn at only partial throttle and I got a nasty little snap from the rear end. Could have been worse but still a scary little reminder to play nice. So for the love of God be mindful of fresh rubber.

The BT014s I had, though, were ready for action from the word go. So go figure.


I was riding home the other night, and I saw an opened condom on the floor, swerved to avoid it.

It wasn't used, so it was fresh rubber Thumbs Up.
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent work.
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Re: New Tyres.....scary Reply with quote

Axeman wrote:
Just got some new Dunlop 208s fitted to the Gixxer. First time to be honest that I've had new tyres on a sportsbike. The guy who fitted them put the fear of God into me warning of the 'running in' period. Take it really easy, ride like it's wet, for the first 50 miles or so, no hard acceleration or hard braking, watch your cornering.

Apparently they are not any use for scratching until 100 miles or so.

Any one else had any experiences of brand new tyres and how did you cope with them.


Theyre dunlops, i'd ride like its wet till theyre worn out. Dunlop have somehow poured research into tyres for years, yet theyt still cant produce a tyre that actually grips the road.

Please buy a better tyre next time. (i speak from experience, i am lucky to be alive....no help from those flamin dunlops! grrr)

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PostPosted: 23:53 - 01 Aug 2006    Post subject: Re: New Tyres.....scary Reply with quote

paulthewitt wrote:


Please buy a better tyre next time. (i speak from experience, i am lucky to be alive....no help from those flamin dunlops! grrr)

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Previously had 207RRs. Had no problems with them and felt really confident. Hopefully these will inspire the same confidence.....eventually.
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PostPosted: 00:39 - 02 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say you're pretty much safe to lean right over straight away, just don't crack the throttle open whilst leaning for the first 10-15 miles.

A steady-to-fast (but smooth) run down your favourite set of twisties should see most tyres scrubbed in.
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PostPosted: 00:43 - 02 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think saying 100 miles just covers the tyre centers back, depending how you ride you can scrub them in within 15 mins if you wanted to.
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