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colin1
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PostPosted: 03:18 - 16 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
no i dont think everyone is doing the same to each other

well there is a bit of that, but the kind of thing i think of is when one person is singled out and then a lot of people join in with hardly anyone else taking sides to defend them

if its one person vs another its hardly the same thing.

often the stated aim (jokingly or otherwise) is to get the person to leave bcf and often this aim is achieved.

now that there are different sections i think there is no excuse as people who think bcf should just be about bikes can stay in the bikes section
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killa
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 16 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
colin1 wrote:
Well there is a bit of that, but the kind of thing I think of is when one person is singled out and then a lot of people join in with hardly anyone else taking sides to defend them


Good posts Colin…..unfortunately they will be ignored by all the useful people Rolling Eyes

I’ve just read through some posts in the FFW section, what the hell is all that about…..I missed a lot of it.
I didn’t reply because I know it won’t make any difference now but it’s the same wankers as always, talking shite

Luke posts so much, why isn’t he the attention whore?
Why not PM Dragonfly all that shit and let her decide if he is right?

I’d say that there are some people on this forum who are pretty much lone rangers, but they put in a lot of effort to be accepted, and that can be tough.
It’s been said on numerous occasions that some individuals have had no chance sticking their ground because when 3-4 or more members who know each other personally or have met a few times on meets put in their two pennies, to a Noob it can seem quite threatening and make them feel bad about themselves.

Possibly bullying…….

Yeah it’s only the internet and some have stuck it out and accepted that some of the mods are pricks, some groups are complete wankers to deal with but in the end some bike chat has been proved decent enough to stay. The general manner on the forum can be hard to pick up as a new member because there are so many sections now, if you get something wrong you could be in for some nasty replies, name calling and piss taking, it usually comes from idiots who have some members backing them up.

When I first got here I posted in reply to anyone about anything but as Colin said, if a bit of piss taking goes to far things can be said about an individual that indeed could be seen as internet bullying, some things have been said in the past I really didn’t mean, and I’m sure the member/s on the receiving end think so to.

I don’t know Luke at all, don’t know his GF, I don’t care, the guys here say he’s ok and I believe them.
He did call me a wanker many times for posting things I found on the net in the section, ‘found on the net’ which I ignored because I was doing nothing wrong, it could have provoked something but I’ve been here long enough to know the consequences.

Siggi wrote:
Surely as "tongue in cheek" as his "smack" comment and "kick in the cunt" comment, no? Hey, ain't this internet forum humour malarkey a blast? Trying to work out who's just making humorous gags (that nonetheless target and distress a specific fellow member) and who's being serious (allegedly)


All the members who have been here for a length of time won’t be banned for just a few insults or threats to another member…..god no!, as you become a more established member you can get away with more, more so if you know some members personally and further more if you are a mod. Generally speaking they won’t abuse frantically, but the backing is enough to make anyone think they should leave.

The rules to new members are there to be seen, the rules talk of language, typing and karma, karma plays a big part in this forum (otherwise it wouldn’t be here) so gold karma does mean something and it’s not just about how much you post.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 16 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Clapping Killa the last 2 paragraphs are very true.
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 16 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
>>The intention was also not for rants about people's view on the situation. <<
Ahem.
Could this be considered a form of minor bullying? Wink

colin1 wrote:
no i dont think everyone is doing the same to each other

Not really relevant to the question at hand then, which was asking if it's ok for someone to do the same back to someone already doing it.

Again, with Killa, I disagree with a lot of what both of you say and think if you looked at things closer with a more objective view, you'd see that it's not quite the conspiracy you think.
However the intention was not to argue about that here.
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killa
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 16 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
G wrote:
Again, with Killa, I disagree with a lot of what both of you say and think if you looked at things closer with a more objective view, you'd see that it's not quite the conspiracy you think.
However the intention was not to argue about that here.


Ask a stupid fuckign question, get stupid answers I say…….

The reason it is stupid hopefully came across in my post, I’m annoyed that yourself, an intelligent, established member who along with some others have stuck your head in a few insulting threads said a few things and left, can’t see why the fuck this happens. Rolling Eyes

I’ve been here long enough for that opinion G, I rarely pipe up about this so allow me a single post on the matter why don’t you, after all, you are a mod. Wink Thumbs Up

Luke wrote:
I never said I wasn’t a twat, its just I can take it.


I don’t know why Luke comes on here, it makes me wonder what his reasons are, and the threads in FFW complete the not so complicated jigsaw.
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 16 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
G wrote:
Could this be considered a form of minor bullying?


Only when being sardonic. Bullies 9/10 get bullied their selfs or feel the need to bully other as a need to regain their self esteem they have lost in a need to be socially noticed. Other times it is due to jealousy and many other things.

I have 4 kids now that are grown and have 2 grand kids and have experienced my fair share bullies and being bullied as a kid for being over weight and having red hair (I've recovered now thought, lol.). So when anyone calls me or attempts bullying, I don't see it as threats and just take it as a silly and immature way of saying: 'My dad beats me, I want attention and don't feel accepted as a person.' among other things for the rest of the 1/10.
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 16 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Im a member on alot of forums and this is the only bike one where these sort of issues ever seem to arise, they turn up all the time on online games sites especially.
I do like this forum but for me I have to treat it like a games forum nothing I read can be taken to seriously, I used to before I understood BCF Rolling Eyes , but no longer.

It's just a culture that's on some forums, a forum is shaped by the attitude of the dominant core members.
This forums seems to have a much younger group of core members to others, doesn't make it bad or good just different.

Im not taking sides it just how I see it.
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killa
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 16 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Slickfish wrote:
It's just a culture that's on some forums, a forum is shaped by the attitude of the dominant core members.


Too fucking true...and the looser that follow are making a shit hole out of this place Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 16 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
u stalking me slick, Embarassed but a valid point Thumbs Up
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Slickfish
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 16 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
killa wrote:
Slickfish wrote:
It's just a culture that's on some forums, a forum is shaped by the attitude of the dominant core members.


Too fucking true...and the looser that follow are making a shit hole out of this place Evil or Very Mad


You mean you don't like some of the newer members???
Without fresh members it would get stail Killa mate.
I'm a recent ish member.

Chuff I think the question is are you stalking me! Rolling Eyes , get back to the CBR forum!!! Laughing
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Mister James
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 16 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
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All the members who have been here for a length of time won’t be banned for just a few insults or threats to another member…..god no!, as you become a more established member you can get away with more, more so if you know some members personally and further more if you are a mod. Generally speaking they won’t abuse frantically, but the backing is enough to make anyone think they should leave.

The rules to new members are there to be seen, the rules talk of language, typing and karma, karma plays a big part in this forum (otherwise it wouldn’t be here) so gold karma does mean something and it’s not just about how much you post.


Why is any of the above a problem?
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 16 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
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This forums seems to have a much younger group of core members to others, doesn't make it bad or good just different.


I'd amend that slightly, similarly to alot of gaming forums there is a large core of young male posters here that post alot in comparison to the older bunch. This gives a slightly distorted view of the whole demographic, leastways that's how I see it.

I have no particular issue with the moderation or lack of it here (then again, I prefer forums with little or no moderation, hard to manage with something this size though in fairness). I see the karma system as being relatively useless on the whole purely due to the fact that little cabals spring up and the karma of any given individual can be distorted and manipulated so very, very much. I seem to remember that Babyyam, Stinkwheel et al proved just how fast it was possible to get a high karma value shortly after they "invaded" Laughing

Treat others as you would wish to be treated is a good rule of thumb. It doesn't take anything from me to not post in, or even to just not read threads from users that I think are cretins. Why bother reading something just so you can post something derogatory? Met a few people from the forum, they seemed OK. The ones I actually have time for are now on my friends list. The drama, stropping and belligerence is vaguely amusing at the moment though. Certainly been coming here more regularly than I have in a while, there's even some half decent discussion going on in one or two threads. Whatever though, with something this size I'm sure that unless Korn pulls the plug for whatever reason, BCF will keep on rolling regardless of attention seeking hissy fits.
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colin1
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 16 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tarmacsurfer wrote:
It doesn't take anything from me to not post in, or even to just not read threads from users that I think are cretins. Why bother reading something just so you can post something derogatory?


yeah

i think the karma system does work quite well and its always nice when you find someone has liked something you have said.

The karma system doesnt stop people who really want to behave badly, but it does encourage good behaviour.
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colin1
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 16 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Slickfish wrote:
Im a member on alot of forums and this is the only bike one where these sort of issues ever seem to arise, they turn up all the time on online games sites especially.


maybe i shd check out some other forums

i keep meaning to look at visor down.

what other forums do you go on ?
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 16 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tarmacsurfer wrote:
I seem to remember that Babyyam, Stinkwheel et al proved just how fast it was possible to get a high karma value shortly after they "invaded" Laughing



Don't you mean low? I have the distiction of getting 3 red blobs on this forum on my first day registered before I'd actually posted anything, which I am quite proud of........ Laughing I don't think Stinkwheel did quite that well, but then he did register about an hour before me and got to put some words down!

I'm not sure how all this bollocks got quite so out of hand these last couple of days to be honest.

Colin is quite right in what he says up there. Colin, do you remember when I accidentally "internet bullied" you? It started as a light-hearted and somewhat drunken joke, then other people picked up on it and it really went stupid. I still feel bad about it, even though we sorted it out in the end. But that's what happens, people jump in "for a laugh" and don't really think about the consequences of what they are posting until it's too late. Or don't care.

People react to different situations in different ways but at the end of the day it is only words on a page. No matter how many people from here you go out and meet in real life, this is still just a discussion forum and it's not really that important in the grand scale of things.

Tell you what I really hate though, internet flouncers. You know, like Vespa. If you don't like the forum or the stuff that's being said about you then yeah, don't read it, maybe even don't come back. It's your choice. But FFS don't start a thread to announce your departure then keep sneaking back (even if you have created another account for the purpose) to see who has been "on your side". That's really sad.

Jeez, yo ucan tell the weather's gone crap again, there was none of this when it was warm and sunny and we were all out on our bikes all the time!
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PostPosted: 05:27 - 17 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
babyyam wrote:
Colin, do you remember when I accidentally "internet bullied" you?


Yeah you are one of the evil ones. Being drunk is no excuse. Accident my arse. You cant undo something with an appology but im unlikely to punch your lights out.

I agree with luke that burning at the stake should be the punishment for bullying.

If its any consolation, apparently i bruised bazzas feelings for repeatedly saying that a particular type of bike (which he still has) is no good. (I may have used stronger words on occasions). Although actually it probably suits his style of riding quite well.

I feel slightly guilty about this as i wouldnt like it if someone kept saying that my type of bike was no good. Although a lot of people say it about the RS and I dont really mind.

I also bruised Sticks feelings by saying women age quicker than men (which they do) and then again by giving the impression that she is always picking up younger men when she has picked a particular younger man who she is very happy with.

I suppose I feel slightly guilty for this as the impression was inaccurate even if I hadnt really thought that what I was saying would give that impression.
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killa
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 17 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mister James wrote:
Why is any of the above a problem?


Think about it not from your or my perspective.

(Is that bad english? its early) Wink
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killa
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 17 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Slickfish wrote:
You mean you don't like some of the newer members???
Without fresh members it would get stail Killa mate.
I'm a recent ish member.


No not at all mate, just the members who have been here long enough to know better, who drag a old jokes around until theres only crumbs and then laugh at it themselves because they don't make anything interesting on here.
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 17 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
colin1 wrote:
Slickfish wrote:
Im a member on alot of forums and this is the only bike one where these sort of issues ever seem to arise, they turn up all the time on online games sites especially.


maybe i shd check out some other forums

i keep meaning to look at visor down.

what other forums do you go on ?


What area are you from mate?, alot are regional forums.

Im a member of visor down but I never really got on with it, when I used it the forum was so popular it was so slow and post seemed to fail alot, may well have been the cr*p connection I had at the time to be honest.

Killa - I get ya mate Thumbs Up .
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 17 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
killa wrote:
Mister James wrote:
Why is any of the above a problem?


Think about it not from your or my perspective.

(Is that bad english? its early) Wink


I have. It's nothing more than I expected when I first joined the forum.
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 17 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mister James wrote:
I have. It's nothing more than I expected when I first joined the forum.


You always have taken shit on the chin here, some people really dont though James, we all know that.
I was trying to explain that as someone on the receiving end of some threads like the ones in FFW small querks of the system can sometimes make you feel a lot more members are against you, not just the forum clowns.
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colin1 wrote:
i keep meaning to look at visor down.


If you think the piss taking on here is bad you wouldn't last 5 minutes on VD. Laughing
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Rightly or wrongly a lot of people use the ‘Pub’ analogy when it comes to Forum use.

Would you attempt to take centre stage immediately after introducing yourself to a group of people?

Would you engage people in an ongoing conversation where you had nothing to offer to in an attempt to gain recognition?

It’s all about getting your feet under the table and introducing yourself gradually. The unwritten rules of Forum engagement (I dunno where that phrase came from!) do exist and on the whole are abided by hence the success of this and other sites. When you get someone who runs at it like a bull at a gate then it’s only natural that they’re gonna be alienated by some forum Members and subsequently six billion threads (OK, 2 or 3) will appear debating the treatment of (naming no names as usual Confused ) him/her/it.
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 17 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Steve H wrote:
Rightly or wrongly a lot of people use the ‘Pub’ analogy when it comes to Forum use.


Indeed Steve it does, and imagine if you've just turned 18 legal to drink and it's your first time in a pub. No amount of warning/intructions is going to stop you looking like a dick.

Works both ways, there's an easier way of stopping it then dishing out some really abusive replies with a few mates.
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killa wrote:
Indeed Steve it does, and imagine if you've just turned 18 legal to drink and it's your first time in a pub. No amount of warning/intructions is going to stop you looking like a dick.

Using the sense that you were born with would help though K – it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realise that flooding a board with nonsensical remarks and preposterous commentary (on one’s life) is gonna have an adverse effect on how you’re perceived by other members.

When I went into a Pub (back in the day) for the first time I didn’t swagger up to the Bar in my pinstripe jeans and Global Hypercolour T-Shirt, sporting a highlighted wedge sans demi-wave and say...

‘Alright my Son – I’ll have a Bottle of Mad Dog 20/20 delivered to that table over there with all the strangers sat around it chatting where I shall then proceed to introduce myself and then talk about ME for the next 90 minutes disregarding any comments that I might take issue with. Oh, and here’s a pound note, get some Adam and the Ants on the Wurlitzer.’

Well, the clothing/hair bit might be true Wink
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