Why are bikers so hard done by.

[VTR SP1]

All I seem to read on this forum now are storys about how hard done by bikers are.

This may be because they have been caught breaking the speed limit, jumping a red light, have crashed following an error in judgement and now the police want to prosecute me or have been caught using a bike that is not fit to be on the road.

Then there are all the other roadusers who are all out to get you. Evil people in 4x4s and white vans. Chavs/normal people who chose to drive cars and not bikes but have to start by using a cheep shitty car but what the hell we will tar them all with the same brush. I bet they don't drive at speeds in excess of 120mph.

But none of these compare to the most hated of all motorists....people who wash their windscreens on their cars and don't think to look behind and see if the biker behind has their visor open or not. Bastards eh! Not considering the welfare of the biker who is following to close behind. That don't matter i'll just smash their car up.

Maybe some of it is because the users of this forum are young, immature and inexperienced. Mabe it because they are narrow minded and have no consideration for others but if things bother you that much then stop riding. It's your choice. Nobody makes you do it. You know whats involved.


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[Bendy]

It's not because they're bikers, it's because they're internet bikers.

And as we all know, the internet was designed purely for people to whinge and be opinionated. And to download pornography.

[JonB]

Absolutely spot on! One of my biggest bug-bears with this forum. "It wasn't me, it was the fiesta."
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[SoulRider]

I do agree with you to a certain extent, people are allways way to quick to blame other people, the two times i come of both have been my fault.

However there are still dick heads that drive on the roads, and to be honest 'Chavs as such are people you need to look out for' i find bus drivers and prats that dont look for you when pulling out the worst. People washing their windscreen is a pain in the ars but most people wouldnt even realise the bike behind would get covered, and if you stick your visor down or slow down a bit to increase the gap you will be fine. But i love riding and would never stop, so these things have to be put up with and youve just gotta get on with your life, rather than moan all the time and let it wind you up into a frenzy.
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[mrchips]

I always think that if car drivers are such a problem to you, it doesn't say much for your riding skills.
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[kevuk]

good god be carefull....that nearly sounds like an honest common sense post....on the internet!!

seriously do agree with you,

maybe its because there are so many bikers moaning about other road users and unwilling to take responsibility for there own riding skills (or lack of) that bikers get a bad name?
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[Adam_P]

It's because they've all fallen into the trap that it's ok to blame someone else for their ineptitude, rather than actually stand up and take responsibility for their own actions and general fuckwittery.

The sooner people start to take their own lives into account the less whining and bitching there will be!
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[stinkwheel]

I disagree. There is a great deal of what I would term "Rank bad driving" on the roads of the UK.

People fail to look when pulling out of junctions, indicate the wrong way on roundabouts, indicate their intention to turn right or left by slamming on the brakes, make sudden lane changes on motorways without reference to the mirrors or indicators.

Furthermore, they sit in the fast lane of empty motorways, drive down the bloody NSL coast road near me in processions at 40mph while gawping at the scenery, they spill diesel all over the carriageway, throw lit cigarette butts at me, overtake when I'm sat in the crown of the road indicating right, they drive round corners at 25mph while constantly dabbing the brakes then accelerate to 80 on the straights and try to force me off the road when I'm riding my small bike.

In fact, every time I go out on my bike, someone makes an attempt to kill me. I consider this normal now and expect it, I'd be dead otherwise. Doesn't mean I have to like it.

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[stinkwheel]

[T1z3R]

no need to be flippant about it.

the point was your only responsible for your own actions and should drive/ride accordingly.
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[queen of string]

I'm sure it would be the same if this was a car forum. Cagers pull out on each other , get in each others way and try to kill each other regulalry. We are not singled out as bikers we are just more vulnerable to their vagaries.
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[Keen]

I don't consider myself hard done by.... I spend alot more time gloating about how great bikes are than I do whinging.
Mostly this involves discussing never having to wait in traffic jams, leaving later and arriving earlier to work than friends in cars, or parking up outside the restaurant/bar on a night instead of spending 25mins looking for a space. 0-60 times also tend to amaze.

Besides, if you want to see bad driving, try living in france. I think they have the worst accident rates in europe, especially down in the south. Red lights are optional, every other car you see has battle scars from previous crashes (so they care even less about having another one). Every time I'm back in the UK the driving is a breath of fresh air by comparison. Alot of people I know here (french, spanish, italians) consider british people to very good drivers.
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[extreme3d]

It is true, a lot of complaining takes place. But that's what forums are for. Sharing experiences, the good... and the bad.

[stinkwheel]

[lilredmachine]

I object to the idea that it is 'young, immature and experienced' that post this shit on the forums. Anyone can be immature and inexperienced, whether it be the childish adult or the born again biker coming back to the harley. Being 'young' has no real bearing on maturity or experience.

I'm just tired of being told that my opinion doesn't count and that I am stupid because I happened to be born in a different year. It just so happens that some of the older members of this forum sometimes come across as arrogant condescending pricks, but no one seems to pick up on it.
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[SoulRider]

[DEN MONKEY]

I agree with the OP in part that sometimes there tends to be trend from time to time for accident prone riders to try and lay the blame elsewhere and unfortunately there ability to learn from such incidents will be great hindered by such an atttiude.

However I think that such stereotypes are often warranted.
After all hows is a stereotype created in the first place.
It's born out of common or regular experience.

In saying that I think such stereo types relating to vehicles/drivers or even riders which are often invovled in causing an accident or near miss can be used as a tool to promote awareness and defensive riding.

So I'd say in a strange sort of way these posts can have a small benefit to others.

I also think it's good to vent from time to time as per the original intention of this post I believe.
It would just be nicer to see it done a little more constructively
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[phk6]

to be fair id rather crash on a bike and be flung 100's of feet away from the accident then be in a car and crash and be stuck righ tin the centre of it, cars are false economy.

my mate came off his bike and it set on fire he was 30 feet away with ripped tendents and two big scabs on his knees, other wise ok.

a car crash's and sets on fire, the person inside is cooked, yea yea so fucking safe realy.
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[Rookie]

I tend to agree with Stink here. It's not that people (or most people) just like to whinge, it just happens a lot here because bikers are so often influenced by the actions of others on the road. It's part of motorbiking and as riders people should be aware of it and accept it's going to happen - but that doesn't mean they have to be happy about it and just clam up while Ms. Makeup in her Ka pulls out on them.

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