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PostPosted: 16:05 - 10 Oct 2006    Post subject: Google buys Youtube Reply with quote

$1.65 billion Shocked

Thats alot of money !!!
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 10 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

especially when it was only setup in Febuary 05 Shocked
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 10 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Siggi wrote:
And now we'll find the nazi scum pulling most of the vids that Youtube were happy to allow.

Another blow against free speech and expression.


Hardly, they pull all the copywrited material they can find. But it certainly won't get any better.
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 10 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCVxQ_3Ejkg

The founders talking bout the sale, complete with $1.65 billion smirks. Smile

Siggi, just because someone has done well in life doesn't mean they're scum.
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 10 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Siggi, just because someone has done well in life doesn't mean they're scum.


In this case he's right, google lost the 'don't be evil' bit and started going straight for the jugular a long time ago.

They've been censoring stuff for ages now.
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Siggi wrote:

Another blow against free speech and expression.

Judging by the content on Youtube, I don't think that's such a bad thing. Rolling Eyes
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dishonourable nazi scum.

I had no idea those two were national socialists.
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PostPosted: 10:03 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

pwntifex wrote:
I had no idea those two were national socialists.


I think you need to update you're definition of the word 'nazi'.
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Siggi wrote:
And now we'll find the nazi scum pulling most of the vids that Youtube were happy to allow.

Another blow against free speech and expression.


Agree entirely.

*Sniff* And I liked You-tube too...Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Google will do what they can to keep as much of YT's content as possible, simply because without it the site is doomed to fail and YT is worth nothing without it's userbase.

But equally they are going to have to make some pretty substantial efforts with copyright infringing content to insure they don't just become the target of lawsuit after lawsuit.

Stuck between a rock and a hard place imo.
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably start charging to use it. Also, wait for the mass amount of 'google' advert banners.
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Google will have to be very careful they don't alienate the millions of people that currently use Youtube or they'll just desert in their droves as stated above, just like people stopped using Napster when they started turning the screws. Interesting article on the BBC website today;

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6038116.stm

Whatever happens, there'll be other firms along to fill any gap Thumbs Up . I just don't see the business case in paying that much money for what could easily turn out to be a "here today, gone tomorrow" name. All they've paid for is users' goodwill, which has to be fickle at best for a web hosting site.
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Siggi wrote:
And hopefully see most users desert and find another non-corporate service.


the problem is with You tube currently being free , how do you fund it ? , bandwidth isn't free these days and with all of Youtube being large video files with millions of users that'll use up tons of bandwidth , BCF is small change but sometimes gets too busy to even browse.
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

DAF wrote:
Google will have to be very careful they don't alienate the millions of people that currently use Youtube or they'll just desert in their droves as stated above, just like people stopped using Napster when they started turning the screws. Interesting article on the BBC website today;

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6038116.stm

Whatever happens, there'll be other firms along to fill any gap Thumbs Up . I just don't see the business case in paying that much money for what could easily turn out to be a "here today, gone tomorrow" name. All they've paid for is users' goodwill, which has to be fickle at best for a web hosting site.


'Solid content identification, video watermarking, royalty reporting and clearer upload guidelines for YouTube members are a must.'

You can already tell it's not going to be as popular under new management. YT is fine as is, you can tell there's going to be lots of changes which don't need to be done.

Google charges $2.99 to watch music videos, you can get them for free on Youtube, so i honestly don't know how that will work.
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 12 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Misc wrote:
YT is fine as is, you can tell there's going to be lots of changes which don't need to be done.


Erm don't need to be done? So it makes sense to spend 1.6 bil on a loss making business and then not bother to try and take it out of the red?
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 12 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's pretty obvious why people in google would leverage the cash to buy YouTube too, but my reasons are a little different.

Google make their profit on an advertising model. They might make a few pennies here and there through other means but at the end of the day their stockholders are happy cause the adsense/adwords combo pays off big time.

Google will be well aware of the growing trend towards on-demand media as opposed to scheduled programs which aren't shown at people's convenience. The internet's going to be the driving force when it comes to 'what you want, when you want' media and currently YouTube's the market leader when it comes to video.

If G can make deals with the various producers & copyright holders then there's the possibility of YT becoming the first mainstream source for full TV & movie downloads, which are likely to have a fair bit of demand on a pay-per-play/subscription basis. Not to mention the fact that their ads will be appearing on the most popular streaming video site in existence.

It's not going to be an easy job but there is a massive amount of potential in YT. And if Google don't manage to pull it off? Well their stock went up by more than 1.6 billion after the buyout was announced anyway, so it would be no great disaster.

FWIW I cannot understand the $1.6 billion valuation though. Seems very 'Bubble 2.0'. Razz
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 12 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

"There is no revenue in page-peripheral marketing" - That is absolute bollocks. Smile I don't believe YT could be paid for solely by text ads, but they would bring in millions, I can promise you that.

And there's never been a mainstream subscription service offering TV series and movies, certainly nothing with the presence of YouTube. One of YouTube's greatest achievements is it's mass appeal and ease of use. My dad has a YouTube account fer chrissakes. If they managed to achieve a deal with the movie producers and TV companies then I have no doubt that there would be demand for that content presented in a manner that anyone can use. If the prices were right it could be hugely successful.

But yeah, you're right it couldn't be a considered business decision; greed and corruption is the only logical explanation. Wink
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 12 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Siggi wrote:
If it was such a great marketing earner why were the original founders almost out of cash? Too much outgoing, not even nearly enough incoming.
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are you human? , if some big evil corporation comes up to your house with a dump truck full of money and then some , you'd not sell your computer repair firm?
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 12 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know what he's on about either. Laughing
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PostPosted: 02:16 - 16 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Siggi wrote:
If it was such a great marketing earner why were the original founders almost out of cash? Too much outgoing, not even nearly enough incoming.
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are you human? , if some big evil corporation comes up to your house with a dump truck full of money and then some , you'd not sell your computer repair firm?


Thumbs Up Neutral None of this thread made sense until this bit..


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PostPosted: 10:38 - 16 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
are you human? , if some big evil corporation comes up to your house with a dump truck full of money and then some , you'd not sell your computer repair firm?


Yes but this isn't what happened.

Youtube was bought entirely in google shares, which the youtube owners are not allowed to sell.
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 16 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Siggi wrote:
So...WTF?! So they have valueless bits of paper? Or can they raise loans on them or something? Or what? What kind of pointless deal is that? "Here you are mate, here's a voucher for your car, but you can't cash it in. Stick it in a biscuit-tin and forget about it (and your car)". Confused Laughing


We'll considering the new shares were just created out of thin air to buy youtube you'd think they would be worthless wouldn't you.

One of the terms in the deal is they cannot sell any shares for a minimum amount of time.
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 16 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having shares in Google is valuable regardless of what anyone might think of their morals. So you can't sell them for a few years, thats not too bad as they'll be worth lots more then, Google share prices increased 1.1% on the day they bought youtube so I doubt other share holders were too bothered.

Conmen, fraudsters and charlatans... you'd get on well with them then. Wink
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 20 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here we go; they've already started restricting content Rolling Eyes
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6069692.stm

Thin end of the wedge and all that. I give them 6 months.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 22 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

They'll be getting threatened with legal action, what are they supposed to do ?
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