Resend my activation email : Register : Log in 
BCF: Bike Chat Forums


"Over half of NHS Trusts need to improve"

Reply to topic
Bike Chat Forums Index -> Politics & Current Affairs
View previous topic : View next topic  
Author Message

Annabella
Like a person, only smaller



Joined: 03 Feb 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 10:32 - 12 Oct 2006    Post subject: "Over half of NHS Trusts need to improve" Reply with quote

The Healthcare Commission (an independent regulatory board) has today released the results of the Annual Healthcheck - and assessment that covers Quality of Care and Use of Resources (financial). It's a new system which uses a lot of information from different sources to decide whether a healthcare provider is "Excellent", "Good", "Fair", or "Weak".

https://annualhealthcheckratings.healthcarecommission.org.uk/annualhealthcheckratings.cfm

Out of interest...

What are your views on these results?
What do they mean to you?


I've got very strong veiws regarding this new assessment process and would be interested in everyone elses.
____________________
Avast! Pirates ahoy!
I did Cadwell! Very Happy
www.bikepics.com/members/bella
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

Dom
World Chat Champion



Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 11:20 - 12 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another pointless attempt by the government to quantify everything and distance themselves from the problem. One that they are the root cause of, but it is infinitely nicer to blame individual hospitals for.

It's a shame they couldn't just say "it's not our fault, honest" rather than wasting millions on setting up a healthcare commission.
____________________
Photos and that
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

Kris
World Chat Champion



Joined: 03 Feb 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 11:30 - 12 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone else see BLiar on the news last night, getting tongue tied speaking in the Commons?

He let slip that there will be further cuts to the NHS.

Evil or Very Mad
____________________
NSR125RR - ZXR750H1 - ZX9R E1 - GSF600S - GSF600SK3 - VFR400-NC30 - SV1000N - ST1100-R - CBR900RR-R - GSF1200SK5 - GSF600SK1 - VFR1200FA - GSXR1000K2 - ZZR1400 D8F
www.prisonplanet.com
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Kris
World Chat Champion



Joined: 03 Feb 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 11:31 - 12 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone else see BLiar on the news last night, getting tongue tied speaking in the Commons?

He let slip that there will be further cuts to the NHS.

Evil or Very Mad
____________________
NSR125RR - ZXR750H1 - ZX9R E1 - GSF600S - GSF600SK3 - VFR400-NC30 - SV1000N - ST1100-R - CBR900RR-R - GSF1200SK5 - GSF600SK1 - VFR1200FA - GSXR1000K2 - ZZR1400 D8F
www.prisonplanet.com
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Barry_M2
World Chat Champion



Joined: 09 Sep 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 11:39 - 12 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

NHS is a disaster.

Hence why I pay for me and my family to go private. Pitty I cant do anything about the fact that I'm still paying for it out of my wages.

I pay for a health service I dont use, and also for a state pension I'm probably likely to never see a penny from. Oh how I wish I could cancel my payments to them, I dont like having money stolen from me by the government. Middle Finger
____________________
ZXR750R (M2) - For the road.
CBR1000 RR4 - For the track.
https://www.bikechatforums.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=4332
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Annabella
Like a person, only smaller



Joined: 03 Feb 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 11:57 - 12 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barry_MC21 wrote:
NHS is a disaster.



Why do you feel that the NHS is a disaster?

Despite these published results, the actual underlying data shows that for really important things - like treating heart disease, providing good quality care resulting in positive outcomes and ensuring patients with cancer are treated within 2 weeks are excellent.

Having quickly scanned over similar data for private hospitals the news isn't quite as good. Patient care is excellent, but there are underlying issues, such as clinical governance problems (cleaning of equipment and tracing of batches of equipment cleaned etc).

Swings and roundabouts...
____________________
Avast! Pirates ahoy!
I did Cadwell! Very Happy
www.bikepics.com/members/bella
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

Barry_M2
World Chat Champion



Joined: 09 Sep 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 12:59 - 12 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no confidence in them at all, from the local doctors (5 of them) who failed over a two week period to spot that my then 3 year old daughter had pnumonia on one of her lungs and was in agony with it.

Right through to the doctors who took over a week to diagnose my uncle with a curable cancer which he infact died from just two weeks ago.

The fact that all my local hospitals are now scheduled to close fully, or departments that we will be most likely to need.

I could go on, and on, and on, and on......

I couldn't give a hoot about so called results, they are all made up anyway. I go by real life experiences.

Confused
____________________
ZXR750R (M2) - For the road.
CBR1000 RR4 - For the track.
https://www.bikechatforums.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=4332
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Itchy
Super Spammer



Joined: 07 Apr 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 13:05 - 12 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Annabella wrote:

Despite these published results, the actual underlying data shows that for really important things - like treating heart disease, providing good quality care resulting in positive outcomes and ensuring patients with cancer are treated within 2 weeks are excellent.
.


lies damned lies and statistics ,


Closing down so many hospitals near me ,

Bury General was sold some 5 years ago ,

Now fairfield is closing wards with a LT view to close it completely
Bolton is the same,
Rochdale is the same also

such that when you get injured you have to travel to North Manchester General (which is also getting closures) , which isn't a good place to be I still remember the 2002 story about a man who had suffered multiple chest gunshot wounds and had to wait 26 hours in A&E.
____________________
Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Annabella
Like a person, only smaller



Joined: 03 Feb 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 13:57 - 12 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:


lies damned lies and statistics ,



Oh so cynical Wink


Laughing


To be honest, I couldn't agree more.
Thanks to a certain number of Trusts overspending, every other Trust in the country has had millions of pounds removed from their budget (preventing them from employing enough nurses, cleaning staff etc) or ordered to 'save' millions of pounds. In Wolverhampton we have been selling off every last bit of property the PCT owns to claw back money rather than cutting services.

The HCC stats were set at an unachievable level to ensure the vast majority of health trusts underperformed - why? Who knows.

Barry - it sounds like you have been VERY unlucky and there is absolutely no justification for the poor level of professionalism shown by your GPs, in fact it's disgusting. I hope you made a full formal complaint (financial compensation for misdiagnosis is usually available up to £500,000).
____________________
Avast! Pirates ahoy!
I did Cadwell! Very Happy
www.bikepics.com/members/bella
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

zaknafien




Joined: 25 Mar 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 14:43 - 12 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm half and half on the NHS,

When I want in 3 days after my crash with a broken wrist the doctor treated me like I was scum who was just there for the record for a claim, his attitude changed when the x-rays proved I did have a broken wrist.

When my other half had an ectopic pregnancy the doctors failed to notice the second fetus.

We've had to argue for a change in consultant's twice who weren't working in the best interests of our child, we knew something was wrong yet they were adamant everything was fine. A change in doc and lo and behold we were right.

I've seen nurses in the child ward's that were woefully under trained to do the job's they were doing to the point I refused to have 2 of them anywhere near my son.

But on the other hand the surgery's he's had and follow up care has been spot on and can't be faulted.

So yeah, half and half. Thinking
____________________
02 Firestorm.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Annabella
Like a person, only smaller



Joined: 03 Feb 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 15:04 - 12 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll probably get slated for it, but the gaping hole in quality is caused (generally, and in my personal experience) by GPs and some specialists who think they are far too important and underpaid (pah!) to actually deal with day to day issues.

Yet where a specialist takes a real pride in his skill you see real results. An example would be cancer treatment in Wolverhampton - we are fortunate enough to have a surgeon and specialist who are both proud, skillful and hard working, and the stats prove it.


As with any massive organisation there are extremes, good and bad - with room for improvement everywhere.
____________________
Avast! Pirates ahoy!
I did Cadwell! Very Happy
www.bikepics.com/members/bella
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

Mister James
I want to believe!



Joined: 10 Aug 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 16:44 - 12 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no time for the government's record on the NHS, but I accept that on the whole, huge swathes of it work well, and do a good job.

I encountered 2 extremes after my crash this time last year, which highlighted to me the inconsistent nature in which the government's policies provide results.

Hillingdon hospital, where I was taken in the ambulance, was a total shit-pit nightmare. A&E staff were competent but had no time to spend with me at all - to the point where my leg kept falling off the too-small bed, ripping open my broken pelvis, and it would take minutes for someone to come around and put it back up for me. (I had no control over my legs at that point).

The assessment ward was superb for the 2 days I was up there, but then the orthopedic ward was a living hell that nearly broke my will to survive! Poorly trained nursing staff that didn't speak english, support staff that chose not to speak english but jabbered away to non-white patients for hours, health-care assistants who managed such impressive medical feats as putting a 10kg heart monitor on my broken pelvis, and telling me that it was not their job to clear piss-bottles away on nights - I should either hold it in or keep the bottles on the table next to all my gear and food for the 10 hours until the day staff came in!
The doctors spent a week and about a dozen agonising scans and xrays trying to work out if they were competent to operate - and eventually decided that they weren't - all the while managing to keep me in the dark. I ended up smothered in my own shit because a nurse couldn't even be arsed to put a bed pan in the right position - and then had the temerity to try and laugh about it when I called him over - his attitude was addressed, I can fucking tell you!

St Georges in Tooting, on the other hand, was exception. Brightly lit, clean and modern wards, with (beautiful!!!!) caring African/Chinese/English nurses who genuinely gave a damn about my condition, and made the effort to come and see how I was doing even when posted to other units. One gorgeous African nurse ended up having a running joke with me about only smiling when she was causing me to pain, to the point where she demanded all the other nurses call her when I needed an injection, to try and lighten the mood. It became a twice daily occurence on the ward, and cheered everyone up - not to mention the far more important thing of me basking in her smile Very Happy
The surgeons and consultants saw me several times a day to explain what they were planning and how it would pan out. On my first night one of them made the effort to come upstairs on his way out in the early hours, on the off chance that I was awake, because the nurses had mentioned I was hacked off at having been in hospital for 2 weeks without any progress.

I could go on for hours - but it seemed a pretty fucked up system where 2 hospitals within 10 miles of each other could be so different - one swamped with shit un-motivated agency staff, and one a centre of excellence with superb (and attractive) staff who actually gave stuff about the crippled little fellas on their wards.

I couldn't tell you what the solution to all this is, but my first guess is that it doesn't involve Labour.
____________________
>Soultrader Mister James, I bet you are a copper
>Bazza Wow. Eyes like a shithouse rat, you...
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

TheDonUK
World Chat Champion



Joined: 20 Feb 2006
Karma :

PostPosted: 23:23 - 12 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the major problems in my experience with some NHS Trusts is the amount of management involved, The sheer amount of beauracrasy and "policy's" involved waste an inordinate amount of money. Its one thing if the NHS is getting more and more money in its pockets, not so however if there is a fuckin great hole in the bottom of them.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Marcg868
World Chat Champion



Joined: 20 Jan 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 05:41 - 13 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Private Healthcare, worth every penny my mum says Thumbs Up
____________________
JACK, MISS YOU LOADS YOU LEGEND.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Barry_M2
World Chat Champion



Joined: 09 Sep 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 10:37 - 13 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Annabella wrote:
Barry - it sounds like you have been VERY unlucky and there is absolutely no justification for the poor level of professionalism shown by your GPs, in fact it's disgusting. I hope you made a full formal complaint (financial compensation for misdiagnosis is usually available up to £500,000).


I had no idea I could do this, I suppose its too late now, do you know what the time limit is?
____________________
ZXR750R (M2) - For the road.
CBR1000 RR4 - For the track.
https://www.bikechatforums.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=4332
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Icey
World Chat Champion



Joined: 18 Apr 2006
Karma :

PostPosted: 10:56 - 13 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barry_MC21 wrote:
NHS is a disaster.


I've got to agree, I'm having so many problems with them lately which are on going, I'm having to write a very long complaint letter.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Annabella
Like a person, only smaller



Joined: 03 Feb 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 14:38 - 13 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barry_MC21 wrote:
I had no idea I could do this, I suppose its too late now, do you know what the time limit is?



Of that, I'm not sure. However, if you contact the PALs service for your PCT, they will be able to tell you. If they are completely unhelpful and give you no informations/managers to contact the next step is to write a letter to the chief exec, and conact the Healthcare commission to inform them that you are doing this. Good luck Thumbs Up



On the matter of 'policies', I could not agree more. One of the first meetings I had when I joined was about Labour's 'Big 6'. Six items of healthcare that they decided needed money chucking at them this year (with other areas of more local importance being abandoned). It felt like I was in Communist China melting tools and cooking pots down so they could achieve their "Steel production targets" to show the rest of the world how rich they were.
____________________
Avast! Pirates ahoy!
I did Cadwell! Very Happy
www.bikepics.com/members/bella
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

Whosthedaddy
Super Spammer



Joined: 11 Dec 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 17:54 - 13 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
lies damned lies and statistics


Got in 1 Wink Thumbs Up

As a nurse in the NHS I know that the figures and stats for waiting lists are altered and blurred to suit the government targets as fines are awarded if not, the management are too busy looking out for themselves not the most important people, ie the patients.

The NHS is a dinosaur, die damn you die.

Private is not the solution but the US has the right idea
____________________
Current : MSX 125 Past : CBR 900RR Monkeybike : c50 LAC : ZXR750 H2 : FZR600 : ZX7R P3 : YW100 : TRX850: Trophy 900 T309 : GSXR 600 L0: Monkeybike : XJ6S Whosthedaddy
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Annabella
Like a person, only smaller



Joined: 03 Feb 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 08:46 - 14 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whosthedaddy wrote:
the management are too busy looking out for themselves not the most important people, ie the patients.



I believe management are looking out for their hospital/trust in order to keep it open and functioning with adequate funding. Something simple like failing to hit waiting list targets results in fines, which then take money from services/reduce jobs or means the trust can't afford to prescribe a certain expensive drug this year.
It's a difficult decision to make especially when people are involved, but often where money could be saved (i.e. cutting the treatment of one or two patients with VERY expensive care packages ensuring their extended life) it would cause outrage in the press.
____________________
Avast! Pirates ahoy!
I did Cadwell! Very Happy
www.bikepics.com/members/bella
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts
Old Thread Alert!

The last post was made 19 years, 62 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful?
  Display posts from previous:   
This page may contain affiliate links, which means we may earn a small commission if a visitor clicks through and makes a purchase. By clicking on an affiliate link, you accept that third-party cookies will be set.

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Bike Chat Forums Index -> Politics & Current Affairs All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum

Read the Terms of Use! - Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group
 

Debug Mode: ON - Server: birks (www) - Page Generation Time: 0.08 Sec - Server Load: 1.04 - MySQL Queries: 13 - Page Size: 116.85 Kb