Sliding the rear...

[Jack_Cheese]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't this the proper/fastest way to corner? The number of bikes i see with blue, shredded rear tyres and absolutely huge front chicken strips seems to confirm this.

Whenever i feel it happen, it makes me really really nervous. I can't keep it sliding, and immediately pull the rear back into line. Any advice on how to keep the rear sliding through the corner properly? I seem to be a little bit nervous after binning it a few months back.

Jack
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[mr.z]

"backing it in"? probably for the track, imo most track tecniques aren't practical for real world rideing (unless you have a supermoto) and much more likely instead to come a cropper on gravvel, cowshit/oil/diesel/vomit on the roads.

Being smooth and observeing stuff waaay ahead is the better way to "make good progress" propperly trained bike copper will usually be faster than somebody doing a rossi impression, and they'll probably end the journey on their bike not in an ambulance.
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[Jack_Cheese]

It's not so much backing it in, as the rear wheel is totally in line approaching, and entering the corner, and i was under the impression that backing it in was effectively powersliding into the corner.

What i was referring to is just when the rear starts to slide, mid - corner. Not a big twitch, but a slight, progressive slide. It feels half natural, half totally shit-my-pants scary.

Jack
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[Blau Zedong]

Anyone who can "back it in" at will on the road should be signing a stupendous GP contract (the amount of people who can rear wheel steer at will is that small). They should also be thinking about what colour flowers they want on their funeral wreaths.
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[TL666]

I've look in the tyre bins at the TT pits. All the front tyres have big strips of unused rubber. Its down to higher profiles I think.

[G]

Sorry, started writing post before there were any replies.

What you are feeling is the limit of traction.
When you start to get little slides, it's basically the tyres are just on the limit.
At this point you need to either find a way to get more traction, or back of a bit next time.

It may be something in your technique could be adjusted to give you more room before you run out of traction, or your suspension setup, tyres etc.

[Wooly R6]

just ride with what feels safe - sod everyone elses tyres!!!!
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[Jack_Cheese]

Humm, i'll check the rear tyre pressure then. I suppose it may be due to low pressure, but it doesn't feel as soggy as when the pressure is low, it still feels full of feedback, like i know exactly where the rear is planted.

I've noticed that it mainly happens on a roundabout just round the corner from work meaning the tyres are still cold. That probably doesn't help...

As for technique, i don't lean off as much as i should. I aggrovated my knee injury on sunday when i went up to rivvy, not a nice feeling at all and the first time i've aggrovated it, so i've been avoiding leaning off quite a bit.

And as for suspension, i've heard the sachs rear shock on my bike is hardly the creme de la creme of suspension technology.

Ah well, i should hopefully be getting fully adjustable forks in the next few months, at least that should allow me a little fiddle. My forks have a heavier fork oil in than standard, as the dive under braking was pretty bad. Riding my bike was like consuming a large quantity of alcohol and marijuana, then playing rodeo on a rocking horse.

Jack
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[Jack_Cheese]

Michelin pilot powers (single compound version), and no i don't think i'm getting enough heat in 'em. (see previous post)
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Cold tyres and a roundabout with a poor surface could easily be the cause in this case.

I was more reffering to make/model of tyre, than pressure. Usually got to have pressures quite a way out to make a difference.

[Jack_Cheese]

[GearboxGeezer]

Ive wheel spun it out of pretty fast courners ( thats on a rs 125 as well! Mainly due to cold tyres ) but never backed it in. And I dont really want to, When I acidently do it it sort of catchs and does a lil highside which ant a nice feeling on the road.

[G]

Erm, what bike, not still a planet?

[Jack_Cheese]

Yeah. I couldn't actually increase the rear preload either, because the preload adjuster is surrounded by airbox. The ride was... erm... interesting...
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[Method]

You wanna back it in properly?

Check my avatar.
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[steveh]

i did it on friday the 13th, was great, came right out HUGEE skid mark all the way round the corner, near full lock on the bars, great rush.........



until....



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