Engine Oil advice and general bike help needed

treesey200 · Nitrous Nuisance Joined: 29 Oct 2005 Karma :

Recently bought my Hornet but not ridden it due to just passing on Friday (yippppeeeeee) anyway got the bike out today to have a gander and its got hardly any engine oil in it. Its on the very minimum line on the dip stick.

Which oil do I need to buy the manual is so confusing I havent a clue?

The bike was bought from a bike dealer and was supposily delivered full checked. Obviously it has not been as this is bang out of order.

God know what else might be wrong!

Should I ring up and complain?

Also is it worth me getting it serviced at the local honda dealer so I know everything else is ok? Not sure what to do tbh.

The chain is also on the change me red bit which I need to get checked as I am not confident in checking it myself.

Any help most appreciated people

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irving · Traffic Copper Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Karma :

cheekythomas · Crazy Courier Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Karma :

Are you checking the oil level on the side stand?? It must be checked when stood up straight. Wink

Walloper · Super Spammer Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Karma :

BY OIL SPECIFICALLY BLENDED FOR MOTORCYCLE ENGINES.

You will knacker the Clutchy-Poo with car oil.
It has friction inhibiting stuff so the metal bits in the engine slip past each other when they rud together.

In your bike your clutchy-poo shares the same oil as the engine.
So if you have slippy stuff in there your clutch will slip.

Halfrods Hien Gerrike do oil.
Hien gerrike will give you a free filter too maybe.
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irving · Traffic Copper Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Karma :

Walloper · Super Spammer Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Karma :

Well call me old fashioned but if they make special oil I will use special oil.
Keeps it simple.

'It May fit, Might Fit, but it could be shit.'

The guy asked a question.
I gave him the answer. Most bike people know.

I'm sure that car oil wouldn't hurt that much but why take any chance?
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Blau Zedong · Banned Joined: 26 Jun 2006 Karma :

I used Mobil 1 fully synth car oil in my 4 strokes, because it came my way cheap via the trade. Never had any clutch problems but if i was buying oil myself I'd choose a bespoke "bike" type.
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irving · Traffic Copper Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Karma :

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stinkwheel · Bovine Proctologist Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Karma :

Interesting point for you lot. How many of you put Motul oil from Hein Gericke in your bikes?

What other motorcycle specific oils come in a 5 litre bottle? So, do you think that motul car oil and motul motorcycle oil are different? Or do you reckon they just put a different label on the same stuff with either a picture of a motorbike or a car?

Guess what. The car oil and the bike oil are both called 300V too and both come in a choice of 5w-30, 5w-40, 10w-40 and 15w-50.

Co-incidence?

veeeffarr · Super Spammer Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Karma :

Tell u what though stink, it smells fucking lovely.

Although I will never change the oil on this bike again as I have snapped one of the oil filter cover studs so it's off the road Sad

short1uk · World Chat Champion Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Karma :

SO let me get this right

I was planning on putting in the one I use in my Ford Focus 10w 40

In the hornet manual it says this is ok. I have the proper Castrol GTX shite not some cheapo gipo one.

Will this be rite or should be buy some from MMC tonight

????

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irving · Traffic Copper Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Karma :

veeeffarr · Super Spammer Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Karma :

It's not F/S that causes clutch slip it's the magnatech additives.

short1uk · World Chat Champion Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Karma :

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how about this then

Walloper · Super Spammer Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Karma :

Once more into the Mire....

I use barrels of oils in tons of expensive and sensitive equipment.
The idea is to protect as best you can by regular maintenance.
Using correct lubricants for the equipment is desireable, if not mandatory, if you wish to prolong the servicable condition.

Some companies even go to the extreme of scheduled oil analysis to maintain equipment.
I sample critical compartments every week. It's sent by chopper to a lab. onshore and I have results within 72 hours (sooner if there is a reportable condition.) but that's just work.

I like to think my bike gets treated with more respect. Cool

irving, "It May fit, Might Fit, but it could be shit.'"

My argument is:

If there is any doubt.
Do what the OEM suggests.
OEMs have vastly more experience with 'their' equipment than the 'man-on-the-street/(dealer normaly) so more than sometimes know best.

You could probably use 'Johnsons Baby' in your engine.
It will provide lubrication but possibly not for long.

Quick Google found this.
This page, I think, says just about everything you need to know about oils.
This bloke did his homework Laughing

Like him, I am no expert in lubrication oils, but I know that fucking about with manufactures recomendation' can end in grief.

My question is why do it?

There are loads of bike specific oils out there.
You only change oil every 6000miles so where is the saving?

Put the stuff in that the inventor uses.

https://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/Oils1.html

Kwote "I am not a lubrication, filtering, chemical or mechanical engineer. I have a degree in engineering, but I studied electrical engineering. I now study physics. You may feel free to question my abilities to gather facts and draw conclusions in the area of oils and filters. In any case, this is a write up of what I learned in about 75 hours of research on this topic. My only interest is having my motorcycle run forever, never break, and be easy to maintain."

Kwote "Choosing an Oil for Your Motorcycle
There are a few special problem areas for motorcycle oil. Most motorcycles have wet clutches, which means the motor oil runs through the clutch. If the motor oil has too much molybdenum in it, there are fears that the clutch can start slipping. No one I know has ever actually had this happen to them, but the warnings are all over your owners' manual and the oil companies' web pages. On the back of all certified oil cans is a circular stamp with the certification. Avoid oils that say "energy conserving" in the bottom half of the donut. These oils contain friction modifier additives that could cause clutch slipping over time. Essentially all 0w-20, 5w-30 and 10w-30 oils are energy conserving, and should not be used in your motorcycle.

Most motorcycles run the engine oil through the transmission, and the transmission gears are very hard on the oil's VII package. This means that over a couple thousand miles, the oil's viscosity can break down. Standard car oils are only good for typically 1500 miles before they've lost about half of their viscosity."
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irving · Traffic Copper Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Karma :

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short1uk · World Chat Champion Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Karma :

https://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d44/short1uk/oilbikey.jpg

this do?

irving · Traffic Copper Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Karma :

short1uk · World Chat Champion Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Karma :

https://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d44/short1uk/oilcar.jpg

this is whats in my garage at home.

Save buying the oil above this will do??

But its got the magnatec stuff in that Toby R said is not good for bikes?

irving · Traffic Copper Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Karma :

veeeffarr · Super Spammer Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Karma :

Personally I'd run either Castrol GTX/GPS/GP or R4 Superbike 10w40 in my bikes.

Although I've started using Motul 5100 Semi Synth 10w40.

Think GTX is probably the same as GPS/GP but make sure it's not magnatech.

Basically car engines are different from bike engines, so I use bike oil in mine and don't care what other people say Smile