Right To Not Be On Electoral Role

[Delbwoy]

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I had a guy knock on my door this evening telling me that no one from my address has filled in the electoral role form. I told him that until they change the voting system in this country, no one here wants the right to vote. he told me it was law that you have to be on the register. So I replied with something along the lines of show me the law and I'll argue how useless it is. He came back with an up to you sort of attitude and walked off.

Bastard woke me up for nothing!

To the point............

We have numerous parties to vote for at election times, and if as an example, there are 5 parties to vote for, one gets 40% of the vote. another gets 30% of the vote and the rest of the votes get divided in smaller shares, the party with 40% wins the election.

Am I missing something here, or does that mean that a party that has 60% of the voting population against it wins the election?? Surely a second ballot is in order with the two highest elects fighting against each other.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm 38 years old and have always seen that as the way it is so have never voted. That and the fact that they are all full of shit.

Then I got to thinking, what is going to happen now? The guy will file a report and the council (or whoever) will take me to court. What can they do? Fine me for not wanting to vote? They can fine me all they want, I have no money left. Send me to jail? Been there, keep a low profile and it's a doddle, plus I could do with the rest.

It just seems odd to me. They call it an electoral role in a democratic society. Well I choose not to be on the electoral role. Why is that not my right? I may be naive, but I just don't get it. Can someone explain in a reasonable way that I might realise either the error of my ways, or the reason to fight this to the end.

I think Siggi could have something to say here.
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[killa]

I know very little about the subject, in the flat block that i live in the brown envelopes come through the door, and all of us leave them.
I've opened a few and there's nothing for me in there.

My flat mate is lazy and hasn't signed the paper, a guy came round apparently and he signed there and then, he seems to think they're going to smash the door in and rape him.
Pesonally i think like you, what are they going to do? Lock me up, i'd like to see them fucking try it.
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[Annabella]

[Mister James]

I have a fair bit of sympathy with some of your comments, especially those relating to annoying council officials, but my immediate reaction would be for you to vote for a party that supports Proportional Representation, rather than first-past-the-post.

If you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem, as the old annoying saying goes - but it does ring true in this case. Too many people think that democracy is just a case of voting for a party. If their policies don't suit you, you have to take a more active part. Unfortunately, in today's instant-gratification society, where the population is lazy and the politicians (often rightfully) mistrusted, people think that their political requirements should just be served up to them on a plate.

Oh, and it's the 'Electoral Roll', not 'role' - Anna, I'm surprised at you!
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[Annabella]

[tribal_tiger]

The only reason I sign on the roll is that it can really affect your credit rating and things like that.

I want to try and sort out a mortgage soon and not being signed up is a big no no.

Not something i agree with and I know this will spark more flames off. Why should the electoral roll have anything to do with me being able to borrow money off a bank?
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[VTR SP1]

If you don't register your details you won't be able to vote but more importantly the council won't be able to sell your details to the likes of 192.com and all the other tinternet people that make it really easy for people to find you.

SP1
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[Mjolnir]

I have never been on the electoral roll. It's not something anyone ever teaches you about so I happily went for years without caring. After discovering what it was I continued without signing up because it doesn't seem worth it. I do understand the benefits; registering to vote, being a fine upstanding member of the community but I have to echo some of the feeling here that it really makes no difference either way.

Managed to get a mortgage last year without ever being on the electoral roll but I had to provide a lot of extra proof of where I have lived and for how long. The sort of thing that would have been easily sorted if I had been signed up.

Apart from the illegalities of not being registered are there any other long term problems with it? Am I just being naive in thinking its not really a big deal?

[JonB]

This is just a case of Britain being really backward, we are one of the very few countries that still run "First past the post" as far as I know.

I'm all for Proportional Representation. It does give more chance of having your wants to be passed through, however the bottleneck comes when each of these leading parties can't agree on something so it can take ages for change to actually happen.
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[R1stu]

Lets start our own "BCF" Party.

Then see if we can get into parliment.
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[Itchy]

nah we don't need voting,

we need an assassination market

read this


If the assassination market is seen as civil disobedience instead of terrorism, as suggested by Jim Bell, then this could perhaps lead to a fundamental impact in how governments function: Most public figures would have a price on their head. Jim Bell argues that the price would be somewhat proportional to how much the people dislike the person, and that it would scare politicians from making bad decisions.


Blair and all the scuz bags who replace him would have eaten a bullet already.
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[tribal_tiger]

we need to start an anarco-sydicalist commune. We take it in turns to be a sort of executive officer for the week but all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs but by a two thirds majority in the case of...



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[mchaggis]

It hammers your credit rating if you're not on the electoral roll.
Hence, sign onto it, it can save you money. You can also choose not to appear on the editted version which people can buy.
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[Luke_Retrofly]

just dont vote
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[froggeh]

It always amazes me this type of conversation.

The FPTP system is better if you want a government that can actually do anything.

Democracy is at the election. You vote for a government to make laws. In fact I strongly disagree with ANY referendums apart from the ellection... I mean most people voting on something like a european constitution haven't a feckin clue what they're voting for.

You should always vote. A non-vote is a vote for whoever gets in. So even if you hate them all, you should vote for the least-worst.

And as far as life in Britain is concerned. Well I can go for a few beers with my mates 2 or 3 times a week, I can go for a blast on my motorbike from time to time, and I can go on holiday a couple of times a year with my family. I go most years to Amsterdam and chill for a weekend, and until recently I went to the Alps most years to snowboard. Ok there are quite a few laws I disagree with, but I can legally campaign against them. Now go and try this in China, or worst still North Korea, or even Pakistan, India, anywhere in Africa.
Our average lifespan is constantly increasing, and we're getting more wealthy year on in.
What exactly is the fucking problem?

[Louise]

Is it the law to be on the E/roll? I didnt think it was.
It just hinders your chance at a few things ive been told 'credit ect'
But, I dont vote, nor will I vote untill something that will help me is done!
I dont want anyone knowing where I live, thats one reason why I stay off the roll.

[MarJay]

[Delbwoy]

I don't claim any benefits. I pay my taxes. I only owe my mortgage. I don't need another mortgage, and who is there to vote for that is going to change the voting system to suit my preferences. No one has got the bollocks, either that or the rest of their policies are not worth shit. I'll have to look into it further. I was never really too interested before, but as I may be representing myself in court sometime soon, I ought to have a good argument.

Ok, so I get on the electoral roll just to please the law. That's wrong. I don't want to be on the electoral roll. It doesn't benefit me, and I should have the choice. Why don't I have the choice?

I don't have the choice because it is the law. So this must mean that the people agreed to a law that takes away a freedom of choice. Hmmmmm. Oh yeah, I forgot, the people don't get a say in which laws are passed in this democracy.

My argument doesn't seem that strong at the moment, in as much as "My name ain't on the form cos I don't want it there". A bit feeble I agree, but it doesn't change the fact that I choose not to be on the electoral roll and I should have that freedom of choice. I'm hurting no one, in fact I'm not even potentially hurting anyone or anything.
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[froggeh]

[froggeh]

[stinkwheel]

With regard to the not filling in the electoral roll thing. They find themselves in a dilemma. It is illegal to not fill in the electoral roll and you can be taken to court for it BUT (and it is a big but) they don't know who to send the summons to because you haven't filled in the electoral roll. So, unless you actually tell them who you are, there is very little they can do about it.

A magistrate wont issue a summons to "The occupier". This means that the only way they can actually find your identity would be to turn up with a policeman who can arrest you and hold you until your identity has been established. I'm fairly certain the police consider they have better things to do with their time, I'm also pretty sure their 'stop and search' powers do not extend to residential properties so you can just shut the door in their face.

[froggeh]

[colin1]

i also recently succumbed to their vague threats and so am now on the electoral roll at my address.

I dont like it because now anyone who knows my name can find out where i live. This could be a problem at some point.

Democracy sounds great in theory, but you dont really have much choice. Even the politicians that seem good at first, turn out to be deranged loons.

I doubt i will vote again, and I know that if i do I will regret it.

i know people who set it as their goal to be on £1k for each year of their age and they are achieving it. (£21k at 21, £30k at 30) Its pefectly possible if you make the right choices.

Id quite like to make national average wage before I die. I know I deserve it, but so far I think my best bet is to set up side line businesses to boost my income. I certainly wont do it just by working in my line of work.
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