Student tortured at an American uni

[craigie b]

[phantomtek]

[Shaun]

In todays world where we are constantly under threat from terrorist attacks we have to be cautious, people from western countries generally understand this, all he was asked for was ID, would have taken a few seconds of his time to show this.

They did go way over the top with how much he was tasered but then he was being abusive and still failing to comply despite knowing he was on the losing end of it.

The footage is shocking (no pun intended), they did go way over the top for what the situation was but he did himself no favours to stop it happening, he could've just said 'ok I'll show ID' but instead he reeled off a torrent of abuse.

I'm not condoning random shockings but if you were in say a busy shopping centre and you saw some muslims, maybe wearing veils refusing to show ID to the police, what would be your reaction, understanding and tell the police to go home they don't need to ask these people for ID?

[TheShaggyDA]

I think that, as part of training, any officer who is going to carry one should be tazered themselves. It would give them a unique insight into what it feels like, and exactly what you are capable of when you've been hit. Might cut back on the repeat tazerings once they've got someone once. Same with CS spray/gas and any other "non lethal" methods of restraint.
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[EuropeanNC30R...]

Erm, maybe he left his ID at home? I guess he got what he deserved then . The guy was trying to leave the room while they were tazering him.

[craigie b]

[craigie b]

[Shaun]

[craigie b]

[stinkwheel]

For the record. If a copper randomly walked up to me and demanded to see ID, I would refuse.

If he wants to find out who I am that badly, he'll just have to arrest me and be prepared to deal with whatever consequences arise from that.

[Shaun]

[G]

Nazi seems a rather inappropriate and tabloid way of describing Phanyomtek's views - perhaps 'Authoritarianist' woud be more appropriate (also generally considered less insulting).
The Nazi's believed in many things (good and bad), many of which I often see displayed in attitudes of posters on here; hardly seems fair to single out this aspect in this case.

[Nath]

[Shaun]

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[Black Knight]

Disgusting, couldn't even watch it.

What 'The Law' get away with is fucking criminal. I swear if anything like that ever happened to me I would find the person responsible and put them through pain they could never imagine.

Makes me fucking sick.
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[Irezumi aka Reuben]

There seemed to be far more officer's there than was necessary. It would require two of them to merely ask for his ID. If he didnt/wouldnt show it then they should say for security reasons it would be necessary to check that his name was on some form of database, which they would no doubt be able to get fairly quick access too.

It wasnt necessary to tazer the guy once, let alone repeatedly.

My main concern was the lack of help at someone being assaulted. Regardless of whether theyre in a uniform or not, they deserve to have been attacked by a mob and had to be carried away to A&E.

@ShaggyDA, it says that all officers have the tazer tested on them during their training.

@Phantomtek, I agree that site is extremely biased, I also can understand your viewpoint, but read what I've put above. It is also in the law that they do not have to show ID. So the only person breaking the law in that video are the officer's. The student was well within his right to do so, however rude and unnecessary it may have been.

[Mister James]

I suspect that you'll find that any university has rules in place to govern access to areas such as computer labs and libraries. No-one forces you to go to university against your will, and usually one has to sign some form of compact to comply with certain rules such as producing ID when accessing services - I know I did. As such, it is entirely possible that the chap in question had absolutely no right to fail to show ID - assuming that was the actual starting point for the whole kick off anyway.

With regards to the video, it shows none of the pre-amble to the incident, and very little of the actual control and restraint techniques used. We have no idea why the officers wanted the guy's ID, nor how they asked, why they were there, or how he responded. We see little of the physical use of force, and I did not see as much definitive proof of the constant use of the Tazer as the article suggests. Much of the screaming - especially in the latter half of the video - could potentially be ascribed to the use of legitimate control and restraint techniques, Lord knows I've dragged enough little (and big) foreign chaps down to seg. wailing and screaming just like that - pain is an accepted technique to enforce compliance.

As to the use of the Tazer itself, personally I see it as overkill, although I'm not familiar with US policies on it's employment. I saw at least 3 officers on the video, which is enough to immobilise and restrain all but the most stupidly strong or mental 'victims'. Seeing as they used the Tazer and thus had at least one officer free, I fail to see why they allowed the crowd of students to impinge on the C&R, regardless of your thoughts on their restraint techniques, failure to isolate the incident is simply sloppy work.

I love how Colin has once again charged into the fray with limited information and jumped to several conclusions, all of which are anti-Babylon in nature - how consistent.
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[Nath]

[stinkwheel]

[TheDonUK]

Arguing in favour of the behaviour shown in that video is failing to distinguish between freedom and oppression (specifically state oppression), that or being in favour of it.

Look at the actual situation from another point of view:
You are minding your own business, (Insert your location), you have broken no law, damaged nothing. Just getting on with work. Someone (and they look like campus security to me) asks you for ID. The fact that its ID is irrelevant. For someone to, in this case demand ANYTHING from you through the electrodes of a taser is not on. No Justification.

[Mister James]

[craigie b]

[Mister James]

I'd hope that the police are disciplined, because regardless of the reasoning I believe their use of force was disproportionate, ineffective and ultimately self-defeating.

I simply decry the attitude that they must be wrong because they are wearing a uniform and are being slagged off by a hysterically anti-government website. It even smacked to me slightly of a set-up, bearing in mind the comments screamed by the 'victim'. If I'd just been tazered, I wouldn't be attempting to publicise my insights into the abuse of recent anti-terrorism legislation - I think I'd have other more pressing concerns.
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