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| Groove |
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 Posted: 16:53 - 06 Dec 2006 Post subject: Just been caught speeding and dangerous driving |
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No hate mail please
Firsty; i already have 3 points for speeding. 42 in a 30 back in March.
Now, today on the way back from work, making progress home to go and visit my mum in hospital (having breast cancer operation...) i was caught speeding at '107MPH' and caught undertaking at "80+" twice on a dual carrigeway (A120 if people know it, 30odd miles of bordem)
He said he caught me speeding by following me and judged my speed off his callibrated speedo and odometer. He obvioulsy tried getting me to admit to doing the speeds, i just explained i was unaware of my speed basically. Also, it was only one copper in the car at the time. He also explained that he was following for about 10 miles (i no, i slowed down to 70ish for a long time) but he was very close to my arse. So close that i could only just about see one headlight of the bloody great Land Rover in both my mirrors! Also seems he had his sirens on for a more than i realised When i was sat in the back he was cancelling other cars to join in! Wished id had kept going!
I admited to undertaking, but explained how it seemed safe to do so at the time. He will try to get statements from the drivers of the cars.
I will be getting summond to court for this, and he said if i explain that i need my license for going to work (i start at 4:30am 3 times a week so transportation is needed) and going to visit my mum if shes in and out of hospital then i may get more points and a hefty fine.
Also, i am still on a restricted license, and he see my license as identification but nothing was mentioned of restrictions. Could this get brought up in court?
What do you think the outcome could be?
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| moonym20 |
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More experianced replies to follow...
was this chap actually in a traffic car and does he have any formal evidence i.e. video tape to prove your offence
i don't think judging your speed 'exactly' using a guestimate from a spedo and odo are going to hold up.
Also you have migitating circumstance given the distressing situation with your mum (best wishes to her) which may play in your favour.
Get a good brief.... oh, and be sure to give your arse hole a good scrub and a wash before you enter the dock incase the migistrate has any requests  ____________________ A scientist crossed a skunk with an owl. He's got a bird that smells but doesn't give a hoot  |
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| Blau Zedong |
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| extreme3d |
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Not much can be said really, speeding on a bike is a bit like a game of cat and mouse. Most of the time you get away with it, sometimes you don't...
Hope your mother's op goes well and she recovers soon  |
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| Minty |
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Queue the 'pick up the soap - boy' brigade.
Hmmm I would hope just points. Have a wash, put on a suit, be sorry and push the 'visiting my sick mum - need tha licence for work' angles.
You have a chance.
Best of luck  ____________________ My fingers smell of your mum. |
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| Barry_M2 |
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Sounds like you might just get done for the dangerous driving. If he can't produce evidence that you were speeding, and your not going to admit to it (are you?), then they cannot charge you. ____________________ ZXR750R (M2) - For the road.
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I asked him off the record if it was illigal or not to undertake. He said not if the outside lane was moving slower than other traffic, or somthing along those lines...He gave the example as being traffic cues etc...
I also didnt receive any form of ticket to say ive been pulled over? I thought i would atleast get a producer?
We had a "interview" of some sort under police caution or somthing or other. Basically asked me a few questions wrote them down with the answers i gave, trying to give nothing away. Then had to sign after. ____________________ || Past: 1991 Kawasaki ZXR 250 ~ 2003 Honda CBR 600 F Sport ~ 2004 Kawasaki ZX6R B1H 636 ~ 1999 Yamaha R1 ~ 1999 Kawasaki ZX6R J ~ 2004 Kawasaki ZX6R B1H 636 ~ 1998 Honda VTR1000F Firestorm ~ K1 GSXR 600 Track bike ~ K6 GSXR 1000 ~ 2006 Speed Triple 1050 || Current: 2005 R1 https://www.adrucore.co.uk |
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If he was in a "bloody great landrover" could that be a range-rover? If so it's likely to be fitted with recording gear because they primarily use them for traffic. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
132.9mph off and walked away. Gear is good, gear is good, gear is very very good  |
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Were you cautioned? (you have the right to remain silent etc.)?
As BLUEX5 said, did he say "You are to be reported for consideration for prosecution on the following charges..."?
Trying to establish if he actually issued you with a verbal Notice of Intent to Prosecute and if any of the statements you made were under caution.
For your own records and benefit, sit down RIGHT NOW and write yourself a report of exactly what happened, where, when and what was said to the best of your memory. You might hear nothing about this for quite some time, it is amazing how 'fuzzy' these details get with time.
It is normal to be given no paperwork at the time. Next thing you'll hear is either a summons to appear in court or nothing.
If you're lucky, you might get a fixed penalty notice through the post. If you do, I'd recommend you take it.
As has been said, if they go for the dangerous driving thing, get legal advice. It is a criminal offence and you can be jailed for it.
On the plus side, they have to prove dangerous driving "beyond reasonable doubt". As such, they will usually drop it go for the lesser offence of 'driving without due care and attention' because they only have to prove this to a balance of probability. |
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| Quote: | he said if i explain that i need my license for going to work (i start at 4:30am 3 times a week so transportation is needed) and going to visit my mum if shes in and out of hospital then i may get more points and a hefty fine. |
what a nob, how can them reasons justify you get a bigger fine/more points
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| Quote: | Even if you get away with speeding you will be done for undertaking. It doesn't matter if you think it was safe at the time its still illegal. |
NO IT AIN'T, post a link and show me where in any book, or page etc, it says undertaking is illegal.
Undertaking is not illegal although frowned upon, is only considered prosecutionable if it inconvieniences another road user whilst you do so, or you make another road users change speed and/or direction by doing so.
I found this,
| Quote: | 242: Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake. |
here:
https://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/23.htm
bearing in mind, the highway code is not a particular book of 'road law', it is merely upmost guideline, which the police will use to create a winning court-case, but i keep my point, it's not illegal to undertake, why else would a copa let me do it around town a few of times and not stop me when it's the same coppa.(touch wood!)
if you go and somehow prove-me-wrong, apologies in advance,
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Overtaking on the left doesn't appear to be illegal since there isn't a law in place.
Best I can come up with is from the Road Death manual, bit excessive I know since no one died but its all I can find.
3.3 Careless driving
The joint police/CPS charging standards cites the following examples that may
support an allegation of careless driving.
● Acts of driving caused by more than momentary inattention and where the safety
of road users is affected, such as:
● overtaking on the inside
etc.
Rest can be found here:
https://www.acpo.police.uk/asp/policies/Data/rd_death_manual_v2_2004_updated_19x04x04.pdf |
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| st3v3 wrote: | bearing in mind, the highway code is not a particular book of 'road law', it is merely upmost guideline, which the police will use to create a winning court-case, but i keep my point, it's not illegal to undertake, why else would a copa let me do it around town a few of times and not stop me when it's the same coppa.(touch wood!) |
Laws are indicated by the phrases must and must not in the Highway Code. So the above paragraph does suggest that overtaking on the inside is not, in itself, strictly illegal. I'm sure, if they wanted to, they could do you for it though - they did exactly that with mobile phones for years. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 19 years, 307 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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