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PostPosted: 12:10 - 14 Dec 2006    Post subject: New traffic offences: about time too! Reply with quote

https://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,1971621,00.html


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Behaviour for which drivers could be jailed for dangerous driving, rather than careless driving, include using a hand-held mobile on the move, tailgating, tuning a car radio, overtaking on the inside, running a red light, or emerging from a side road into the path of another vehicle.


i like that last bit Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: 12:13 - 14 Dec 2006    Post subject: Re: New traffic offences: about time too! Reply with quote

I'm not liking the undertaking one though, as filtering could be classed as such.

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PostPosted: 13:06 - 14 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

New laws are always done for political gain , to make politicians look like they are doing something , when really all that is needed is for the current laws to be enforced properly.

since pulling out of a junction into a path:

careless / inconsiderate driving and or driving without due care and attention,

without enforcement it is sadly all just hot air ,


Sort of like the manure cannot be given away without a £200 permit (ie another tax) , I still get plenty of manure for free , and my vegetable patch grows fine cus of it ,
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 14 Dec 2006    Post subject: Re: New traffic offences: about time too! Reply with quote

Suzuki wrote:
I'm not liking the undertaking one though, as filtering could be classed as such.

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agreed.. although I'd hope they'd also extend the 'bad driving' to include middle lane hoggers, so undertaking would be required less

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PostPosted: 13:25 - 14 Dec 2006    Post subject: Re: New traffic offences: about time too! Reply with quote

Suzuki wrote:
I'm not liking the undertaking one though, as filtering could be classed as such.

Already the case - that's what I was being threatened with prosecution of due to undertaking at some speed, so nothing new there.
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 14 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

with the general lack of cops around harsh faster filtering is so much easier! , as said laws probably mean squat!
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 14 Dec 2006    Post subject: Re: New traffic offences: about time too! Reply with quote

G wrote:
Already the case

Yes, but you can't go to prison for it at the moment.
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 14 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

How are they going to send you to prison exactly? There is hardly enough room as it is, let alone when they start chucking people in for undertaking.

This government hasn't got the first fu*king idea.
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 14 Dec 2006    Post subject: Re: New traffic offences: about time too! Reply with quote

Suzuki wrote:

Yes, but you can't go to prison for it at the moment.

Thought you could go to prison for dangerous driving at the moment?
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 14 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing I liked the sound of most when I heard about this is that there will be an option to "upgrade" (not sure if that's the right word?) the current charge of causing death by dangerous driving to manslaughter. About time too.

Re the filtering/undertaking thing, it's a can of worms isn't it? Undertaking itself is not an offence, nor is it careless or dangerous driving, it is simply making progress in your own lane. Weaving in and out, yeah in some circumstances that can be dangerous (I wouldn't call it careless though, if you're going to drive/ride like that you got to be concentrating pretty hard and taking quite a lot of care imo).

Personally I would like to see the return of the death penalty for the middle-lane hoggers, one of my most virulent pet hates that..... Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 14 Dec 2006    Post subject: Re: New traffic offences: about time too! Reply with quote

G wrote:
Thought you could go to prison for dangerous driving at the moment?


Yes, but at the moment undertaking is only careless driving.

Read the thread G! Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: 16:31 - 14 Dec 2006    Post subject: Re: New traffic offences: about time too! Reply with quote

Suzuki wrote:

Yes, but at the moment undertaking is only careless driving.

At the moment, undertaking is whatever the police-people decide it to be.

It most definitely can be dangerous driving (apparantly, for instance if you do it at 119mph). While I didn't get prosecuted in the end, I did look into it and they definitely had a good case against me.
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 14 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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or emerging from a side road into the path of another vehicle.


Loads of people are gonna be fucked for that then
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 14 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyyam wrote:
The thing I liked the sound of most when I heard about this is that there will be an option to "upgrade" (not sure if that's the right word?) the current charge of causing death by dangerous driving to manslaughter.


So if you were riding along the motorway at 80 and a car load of kids overtakes you at 90 then crashes, killing them, you would be take a prison sentence for manslaughter?

Happened to a guy in Stoke. Being overtaken while over the limit was taken as racing (when they weren't) which is dangerous driving, and as the kids crashed and died that was causing death by dangerous driving. 5 year sentence I think he got for being overtaken.

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PostPosted: 22:32 - 14 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a fucking joke.

There are so many variables in driving that it's unbeleivable, I really hope that they use common sense when giving out the sentences rather than just dishing out a harsh sentence to 'set an example'.

What happens if you change your radio station, eyes off the road for less than a second. Within that time someone cuts right across you, their car rolls killing them, that's manslaughter?
That's someone's career down the pan, missing whole chunks of their childrens/familys lives etc.

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and pressure by campaigning groups on the CPS to take motoring offences, particularly those causing death, more seriously.

Why the fuck is it the CPS who are the main port of call with this? Why the fuck don't they put more traffic officers on the road to try and prevent the accidents happening in the first place.

These people are completely incapable of using any common sense to safely govern the country which they run. Why should I fucking listen to what they say anymore? Utter joke.
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