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I lived out in Germany for a year, and it's a definite culture shock when you go out there.
For starters, ALL households have (or had!) several bins - one for metal, one for glass, one for food/bio stuff, and one for everything else - although most had a box for paper too.
Failing to sort rubbish is illegal, end of chat. So it's kind of "built in" now - and the infrastructure is there to deal with it. It's not that they don't produce as much waste as us, it's just that they deal with it better.
F'rinstance, Maccy D's had the three bins, and served most foods in paper, not polystyrene, and everyone sorted. Then (I'm sad to say) us English arrived in the town, and 2 months later, the bins had gone. I sorted, but a lot of others didn't, and putting food in the glass bin etc doesn't help.
The Germans are fastidious planners, and think ahead - not many high rises (most live in flats/apartments a coupla storeys high) so house prices are nasty, but it's not madly built "up", recycling is law, and nationwide, and people over there respect the law and the country.....
Here, less so... ____________________ Sans bike |
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| Dan 4RR |
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IIRC, I was watching Trevor Mcdonals 'Tonight' show about waste/recycling, etc. One of the woman they interviewed claimed that the UK was years behind other countries within mainland Europe in regards to waste control and recycle technology. Mainly Germany.
I guess the UK makes more because were all a bunch of fat slobs who eat from microwave meals and can't be bothered to recycle.  ____________________ Humans....the largest form of cancer the world has ever seen!
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| Kickstart wrote: | | froggeh wrote: | We have just had the warmest year since records began. |
We have 27 years of accurate global temperature measurements, and by those measurements 1998 was warmer. Which particular measurements is that "warmest year" based on?
| froggeh wrote: | The polar ice caps are melting
Glaciers are dissapearing |
They are changing. What is happening depends who you ask. Bits disappear. Bits thin. Bits also appear and bits also thicken.
| froggeh wrote: | these things have been around for thousands of years, and just by magic , the industrial revolution starts, and shortly afterwards the earth starts heating up. |
Industrial revolution happened to start just as we were coming out of what was known as the little ice age. When the Thames froze in winter. A few hundred years before that there was the medieval warm period. When Greenland was warm enough for the Vikings to settle there.
Does climate change? Yes. Is it changing now? Probably, but how much is under dispute. Is this due to an increase in CO2 levels? Also possible, but ice cores from previous times have also shown raised CO2 levels when temperatures have risen, but the CO2 levels have trailed the rise in temperature.
There are massive numbers of unknowns, and vested interests on both sides trying to infuence views.
Remember that about 3% of CO2 emissions are man made. The other 97% are natural.
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Much that I wish you were right, I'm afraid the evidence is too strong to deny Global warming now.
The Little Ice Age (and the medieval warm period) certainly muddy the data, but don't change the fact that human beings are responsible for a portion of the earths current increasing temperatures.
Most scientists now go along with it.
"The debate about whether there is a global warming signal now is over, at least for rational people," said Tim Barnett, of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in La Jolla, California. "The models got it right. If a politician stands up and says the uncertainty is too great to believe these models, that is no longer tenable."
https://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1489955,00.html
I tend to agree with this. In fact I'd regard global warming as a strong or stronger theory as evolution. |
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No, Global Warming is government spin to induce more taxes and further misery for it's citizens.
It was only the other day in an interview that OUR prime minister, Tony Blair conceded that reducing long haul flights is not necessary as he was picked up on it after his recent holiday to Florida.
YES, our resources are running out, but with 50 years tops, of records, there is no conclusive evidence that we are killing this planet. ____________________ Be careful whose advice you buy, but, be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it?s worth. |
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| froggeh wrote: | Someone else jumped on the "Head in the sand" bandwagon didn't they? |
so? , what you going to do about it? , Newsnight's ethical man did the following:
Got rid of car for bicycle
recycled everything
bought local produce
used sweaters and clothing instead of heating
took cold showers
didn't take holidays period
turned everything off standby
turned to a green energy supplier (false carbon economy)
changed all over to energy saving bulbs
turned off lights when no needed
and only saved 20% of his carbon output.
the planet is doomed , doomed I tells ya , so we might as well enjoy it while it lasts ,
and yes it is just another reason to boost taxes even higher even though taxes have never been as high since 1968, UK alone can't do anything UK =2% world carbon emissions , we go down to zero ie UK turns to stone age actually worse than stone age since cavemen had fires , we make no difference.
China/India have a voracious appetite for energy , and build more coal powerstations than you can imagine = we can't do a thing
Still I'd like to see you play your part Sunday! , try outride me without petrol! go on! ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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On ITV last night they said that places like Scandinavian countries would see and increase of 1metre in water levels. Places like the Alps would melt, with a knock on effect for the economy and places like southern Spain would see droughts,heatwaves, crops and wildlife wouldn't be able to cope. Not till a few more years though
For now, I'll carry on enjoying life riding my bikes, fuck the planet, my grankids can deal with it  ____________________ Humans....the largest form of cancer the world has ever seen!
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 19 years, 230 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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