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Graham88
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 11 Jan 2007    Post subject: I've been back on the road a week now... Reply with quote

...and I'm off again.

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I have to say, I have the fucking shittest luck in the world. I've only had it back for one fucking week. Evil or Very Mad

This diagram should help explain how it happened:

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I was the red arrow, he is the green arrow.

I lost the front end, because it was wet, bike skidded into the side of him, I hit the side of the car.

He said he just didn't see me, even though I had my headlights on, it was about 5pm. Words cannot describe how pissed off I am, but I have a witness who was behind me, so it's all on my side.

Still annoyed though.

The engine starts, but it's proper rough, and it didn't idle and just cut out. I'm assuming(hoping) it's just because it was on it's side and it just needs to be running for a few minutes.

Story of my life.
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Simple
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 11 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's luke's fault.

he borrowed the rear wheel

rear wheels lost will to live, wheel told rest of bike this, bike decided to comit suicide incase luke ever comes back.


I wear a high vis bib with my lights on, I dare any car driver to say they didnt see me...
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 11 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simple wrote:

I wear a high vis bib with my lights on, I dare any car driver to say they didnt see me...

If you got your dipped beam on in the day, they probably can't tell you got a hi-vis 'cos they can just see a bright light somewhere in the distance Razz.
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 11 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holy fooook graham
Not good , but hey sod the bike how are you
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 11 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

But on second thoughts if youre ok i hope the bike gets well soon Rolling Eyes Wink Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 11 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wear a high vis bib with my lights on, I dare any car driver to say they didnt see me...

There's a picture on here with a bike infront of a car. Drift inline with the front of a cars headlight and you dissapear. Your assumption could well get you hurt.

I always loose sight of bikes in my mirror, and I'm looking out for them.
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 11 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Simple wrote:

I wear a high vis bib with my lights on, I dare any car driver to say they didnt see me...

If you got your dipped beam on in the day, they probably can't tell you got a hi-vis 'cos they can just see a bright light somewhere in the distance Razz.


considering the drivers that have knocked me off so far have all said they didnt see me dispite their being no other traffic, me not speeding and my road positioning being so that I can see them.
Fact is they never look but come pictures of the aftermath me in a yellow jacket, white and blue lid and yellow high vis, with lights on.. kinda proves they didn't look, not like I wasn't trying to be seen
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PostPosted: 07:04 - 12 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloody shit luck Graham. That's a dodgy bit of road with a good few accidents over the years, I used to live in Whitehill lane (to the people who don't know the area the car had just come down a steep hill to the junction). He would have had a good view of Valley Drive had he stopped properly but like so many people on that junction he more likely snatched a look to the right and then concentrated on traffic approaching from the left. Was there another vehicle in front of you turning into Whitehill? That's would explain why he didn't notice you. Also, did you call the cops? You should have really for that type of accident so they can charge the driver and give you a better chance of being found not at fault and getting a decent claim (and in any case if you were at all injured).
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PostPosted: 08:12 - 12 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough a high vis bib /may/ make it a bit easier to see you, but at the end of the day you are still half the width of car and thus it will always be more difficult to see you than an oncoming car.
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PostPosted: 08:23 - 12 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a study carried out by a group of Scandinavian scientists, Sweds I think, that proved High Vis clothing made no difference. Someone either sees you or they don't it's got nothing to do with what you wear. There are also findings that you are more likely to be hit by an experienced (I use the word experienced begrudgingly) driver than a newly qualified too. The experienced looks further up the road in either direction and has more chance of missing a bike in the danger area, as in close to their vehicle. A newly qualified driver's vison is more likely to be around the circumference of the vehicle because they are actually concentrating on moving and controlling, rather than observation higher up the road. Paraphrasing and something along those lines anyway.

Sorry to hear about your accident mate, at least you are ok, the bike is replaceable. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 12 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

dainesefreak wrote:
group of Scandinavian scientists, Sweds I think


Thinking People from Scandainavia aren't called Sweds...are they? Confused

That's properly shit Graham, glad you're ok though Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 12 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reuben wrote:
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I wear a high vis bib with my lights on, I dare any car driver to say they didnt see me...

There's a picture on here with a bike infront of a car. Drift inline with the front of a cars headlight and you dissapear. Your assumption could well get you hurt.

I always loose sight of bikes in my mirror, and I'm looking out for them.


You ask, I'll provide Wink

map wrote:
T1z3R wrote:
...if there is a definite link between lights on and higher accident rates then obviously that is a concern but it affects me not if my lights have or have not to be on during the day is all im saying.

I think this photo below posted by Yosemity Sam in the Blinded by the light thread on this subject showed the concerns.

https://www.bikechatforums.com/files/clip_image002.gif

I know the 'blinded' thread was to object to cars having daytime lights but the concept is still valid that a bike with headlight on can be hidden by a following car also with headlights on.
As said
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...don't be too reliant on lights


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PostPosted: 17:11 - 12 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whosthedaddy wrote:

There's a picture on here with a bike infront of a car. Drift inline with the front of a cars headlight and you dissapear. Your assumption could well get you hurt.

I always loose sight of bikes in my mirror, and I'm looking out for them.


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I never said it makes me immune, car drivers still pull out on me, less so when I'm in high vis, but still. I'm on about insurance claims and how much you did to help yourself be seen etc... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 12 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simple wrote:
I never said it makes me immune, car drivers still pull out on me, less so when I'm in high vis, but still. I'm on about insurance claims and how much you did to help yourself be seen etc... Rolling Eyes


I only posted the pics as I knew where to find them in the headlight thread Embarassed Shifty Very Happy

Dont get me wrong, I wear all black most of the time with no high vis. There was a time when I never used to have the lights in when the charging system was pants.

If you want to wear reflective protection then Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 12 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curious - How many bikers while sat at a junction, don't see other bikes approaching and pull out on them?
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 12 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

dainesefreak wrote:
There was a study carried out by a group of Scandinavian scientists, Sweds I think, that proved High Vis clothing made no difference. Someone either sees you or they don't it's got nothing to do with what you wear. There are also findings that you are more likely to be hit by an experienced (I use the word experienced begrudgingly) driver than a newly qualified too. The experienced looks further up the road in either direction and has more chance of missing a bike in the danger area, as in close to their vehicle. A newly qualified driver's vison is more likely to be around the circumference of the vehicle because they are actually concentrating on moving and controlling, rather than observation higher up the road. Paraphrasing and something along those lines anyway.

Sorry to hear about your accident mate, at least you are ok, the bike is replaceable. Thumbs Up


There's a simple answer to this:

High-visibility closthing will NEVER make you less visible, but will certainly make you more visible over not wearing it under some conditions.
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 12 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

quacker_boy wrote:
dainesefreak wrote:
group of Scandinavian scientists, Sweds I think


Thinking People from Scandainavia aren't called Sweds...are they? Confused

That's properly shit Graham, glad you're ok though Thumbs Up



Sweden is in Scandanavia isn't it? Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 17:50 - 12 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geri wrote:
There's a simple answer to this:

High-visibility closthing will NEVER make you less visible, but will certainly make you more visible over not wearing it under some conditions.


You can't say that as you have no proof, I'm not being funny but people thought that about daylight running of head lights.
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 12 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whosthedaddy wrote:


Surely this phenomenon only occurs when viewed from exactly the right angle with the bike and car being exactly the right distance apart. Add movement and it makes it even more unlikely.

It isnt something I've ever seen for myself...
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 12 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Its true that its all about the angles and other factors that determine road positioning.

I often find it har to pick up on people filtering in a heavy line of traffic due to the number of headlights moving about.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 12 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geri wrote:
Bloody shit luck Graham. That's a dodgy bit of road with a good few accidents over the years, I used to live in Whitehill lane (to the people who don't know the area the car had just come down a steep hill to the junction). He would have had a good view of Valley Drive had he stopped properly but like so many people on that junction he more likely snatched a look to the right and then concentrated on traffic approaching from the left. Was there another vehicle in front of you turning into Whitehill? That's would explain why he didn't notice you. Also, did you call the cops? You should have really for that type of accident so they can charge the driver and give you a better chance of being found not at fault and getting a decent claim (and in any case if you were at all injured).


Nope, someone said they had called the Police, I thanked them and they drove off. But the Police never turned up so I assume they didn't actually do it. Confused

I have a witness who will back me up, so it's all in my favour.

Still fucking annoying after having it fixed just 1 week. Rolling Eyes Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 12 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whosthedaddy wrote:


Although that is a valid point, but, if you are that close to a 4x4, then you shouldn't get pulled out on anyway as you;d have to be a special kind of stupid not to see a 4x4 with its lights on.

It does help in some situations to have your lights on, in others your hindered, but regardless of wether you do or not some drivers are just really really bad at driving and won't see you no matter what you do, what you wear. You just gotta try your best to predict what they are gonna do.


That really sucks about your crash, I hope it gets sorted soon
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 12 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

dainesefreak wrote:
Geri wrote:
There's a simple answer to this:

High-visibility closthing will NEVER make you less visible, but will certainly make you more visible over not wearing it under some conditions.


You can't say that as you have no proof, I'm not being funny but people thought that about daylight running of head lights.


If you are riding in the dark, and being lit by another vehicle's headlights, you are VASTLY more visible wearing high-vis clothing.
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 12 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

alone wrote:
Curious - How many bikers while sat at a junction, don't see other bikes approaching and pull out on them?

I think that instinctively you look for bikes coming if you are on a bike. However in a car, drivers aren't necessarily looking out for bikes as much.
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PostPosted: 18:10 - 12 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

six wrote:
alone wrote:
Curious - How many bikers while sat at a junction, don't see other bikes approaching and pull out on them?

I think that instinctively you look for bikes coming if you are on a bike. However in a car, drivers aren't necessarily looking out for bikes as much.


True, but more importantly bikers tend to HEAR other bikes much sooner and associate the sound easier than car drivers.
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