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sickpup
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: DVLA at their finest Reply with quote

So I finally check through yesterdays mail at 3am this morning to find a letter addressed to my old trading name, interesting I thought.

So I open it up to discover DVLA are fining me for not taxing a bike. Convinced the bike is MOT'd and taxed I take a wander through DVLA's website to check and the bike has been taxed since October. conveniently for DVLA they've failed to tell me when it wasn't taxed and it was SORN'd before being taxed so I'm a bit confused.

Next thing is to phone DVLA enforcement in kent who have no details of the letter as although it has there letter head its sent by DVLA Swansea and I now have to take the time to write to the fucktards.

How can any government department be this inept that they cant even check their own computers before trying to fine you?
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know, i can't wait till they have a similar agency for id cards wont that be fun..
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely it was a computer that sent the letter? Either way they're useless.
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bunch of tits really then.
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blame it on the Welsh.
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

As the bike is taxed, what'd happen if you just ignored all their letters, let them take you to court and turn up to court on the bike complete with tax disc that'd be stamped a few months ago from whichever post office it was bought from?
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sickpup
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
As the bike is taxed, what'd happen if you just ignored all their letters, let them take you to court and turn up to court on the bike complete with tax disc that'd be stamped a few months ago from whichever post office it was bought from?


They use the CCJ system so I wont even hear about it until afterwards.
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, I've got one of those CCJ letters sitting in my filing cabinet. Fuckers.

Never heard of them fining someone who does actually have tax though!

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PostPosted: 13:02 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

cus they are fishing , Gordon has fucked up the economy BIG time , and thus they are sending out such things in the hope somebody is dumb enough not to respond and pay up,

sort of like with tax returns , they send out threatening letters to people which more or less say:

"we know you are cheating the tax system we are watching you blah blah

if you voluntarily submit any undeclared information there will be lesser penalties",

This has caused me to be Manchester Area tax office public enemy number #1 since I complain and have many tax inspectors disciplined
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are entitled to attend a County court hearing and they must notify you about it in advance.
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just keep an eye out for that big mainframe computer they have in their adverts...

Hiding round every corner... Shocked

ID cards? Aye, that'll be a hoot Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd sooner move out of this country before ID cards are introduced Thumbs Up.

I'll burn the DVLA down if you want? T'is only up the road Wink
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm all for ID cards! Not meaning to take this on an unrelated to bikes tangent, but people moan about ID cards for the sake of it in my opinion.

Whining "but it's against our human rights", "what about our civil liberties", blah blah blah.

You should have to carry them and produce on demand by police! If you are who they are after, hoorah! If not then it's a moment of your time to eliminate you from enquiries, helping police and speeding things up.

Also no under age drinking, some of you may think that's a bad thing but when you have to deal with a 14 and 15 year old who were taken to hospital, one completely out of as thanks to getting served, have parents come down sick with worry, come speak to me then!

Got into a rant there so here's something DVLA related. I got my car license 9 years ago. I got my bike license last year and so obviously did my theory and hazard perception, I am trained above normal drivers anyway due to work, and yet to add D1 on my license I have to do the theory and hazard perception all over again!

Ok so they are a little tailored to the vehicle type but I'm sorry, to me it's ludicrous. Why not have a system in place whereby the tests are valid for say 2 years, just like the probationary driving period?
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Coxy_UK is a copper then.

Thanks for that your advance training means nothing to me to be blunt but then I've complained about Police Officers dangerous driving TWICE and both times the Officers have admitted guilt. I've seen a lot of Police RTA's.

All the training in the world means nothing if its not used and the arrogance of many Police drivers surpasses that of many pissed up little chavs.

Back to the topic. There is no government department in the UK that has a computer system that does what it was meant to do. If I remember even the PNC was down for a few weeks in november.

If we cant get something as simple as a yes/no question answered with a degree of reliability such as is a vehicle taxed then we're going to struggle with a multi option ID scheme.
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now the tax office has become part of revenue and customs they've got a lot more harsh and devious, numerous cases of them going ott round here. Govt large computer systems are notoriouslly crap, couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

As one politician said (when referring to the Child Support Agency computer system):
"If you automate a mess, all you get is a faster mess.".
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
You are entitled to attend a County court hearing and they must notify you about it in advance.


Yes, but the case is likely to be in a court nowhere near you, so a day off work and a load of transport costs.

And I suspect your chances of getting your costs back are pretty much nil.

All the best

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PostPosted: 21:27 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

a mate of mine works in local council and some of the storys about the computer systems he has to use are just scary. On his information i'd say a 14 yr old could come up with better systems and they pay people 6 figure salaries to do this? Thinking
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

fredsredhat wrote:
On his information i'd say a 14 yr old could come up with better systems and they pay people 6 figure salaries to do this? Thinking


No, they pay stupid amounts to consultants who produce reports and specs. And maybe if someone screws up the odd program pops out as well.

All the best

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PostPosted: 23:05 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:

Yes, but the case is likely to be in a court nowhere near you, so a day off work and a load of transport costs.

And I suspect your chances of getting your costs back are pretty much nil.


You are also entitled to make your submission to the court in writing by filling in a 'defense form' N9B and returning it to the court within 14 days of recieving the notification.

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PostPosted: 23:33 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coxy_UK wrote:


Erm no sorry mate that generalization is nonsense, you are making a statement based on a couple of experiences which of course will stick out in your mind. Anyway I wont argue with you as I obviously know a lot more about it than you.


No yours was a generalization mine was experience based. Lets not forget Police RTA's are going up year on year shall we.
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PostPosted: 23:50 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
All the training in the world means nothing if its not used and the arrogance of many Police drivers surpasses that of many pissed up little chavs.


I couldn't agree more.
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PostPosted: 01:44 - 18 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Coxy_UK wrote:


Erm no sorry mate that generalization is nonsense, you are making a statement based on a couple of experiences which of course will stick out in your mind. Anyway I wont argue with you as I obviously know a lot more about it than you.


No yours was a generalization mine was experience based. Lets not forget Police RTA's are going up year on year shall we.


And out off all these police RTA's how many are actually the police's fault? yes some of them can be avoided but the few times i've seen them its normally because the person in the other vehicle either doesn't see them or just panics and doesn't know what to do.
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PostPosted: 08:22 - 18 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

aye aye a Sickpup vs cop thread developing here , Sickpup FTW! Thumbs Up
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