Car thread - rear shelf speakers

palmer · Fiddled Kiddy Joined: 21 Jul 2004 Karma :

For those who arent interested in cars/modding, please leave Mr. Green

Time has come to install the speakers into my mdf shelf.
Got 2 possible ways of doing it, just wanting to know oppinions.

Option 1
https://img408.imageshack.us/img408/5228/999418576sx.jpg
6x9 at the sides, 13cm in the middle. I would think this would give the best sound? making it more 'surround' than rear heavy? (looks good too Laughing

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Option 2
https://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8969/681777318om.jpg
Seen them like this in a few cars, but surely the sound would be too much behind you?

Which layout would give a better sound? I'm guessing option one.

cheers
palmer Thumbs Up

binge · Emo Kiddy Joined: 03 Jul 2004 Karma :

AAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

is your name Barry? Laughing

Dont do it mate. Dont do it.

Tweeters in the back are a no no in SQ installs anyway. Plus. FOUR shelf Speakers! Pahahaha!

Please take a photo of it when your finished so I can put it on https://www.barryboys.co.uk/mx/

Cheers dude

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binge · Emo Kiddy Joined: 03 Jul 2004 Karma :

On a more serious note. Your not going to get a better sound out of any of those 2 installs.

For a start, The frequencies given from Tweeters are directional. So you wont beable to hear them properly anyway as they are behind you. You need them up front.

Also, If you have a sub in the boot. Kiss goodbye to those Speakers your about to put in your shelf. You will ruin the voice coils in them.

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palmer · Fiddled Kiddy Joined: 21 Jul 2004 Karma :

i need the tweets in the back. the standard rear ones are coming out.

could propbably (with a bit of modification) fit the 13cm into the origional rear speaker holes, will need a bit of work to fit them in though.

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Just wear headphones.
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binge · Emo Kiddy Joined: 03 Jul 2004 Karma :

You dont need tweeters in the back... At all....

Admit it, you want a rear shelf build for when you attend your "Bruv" car meets so you can open ya hatch and blast ya sounds! Laughing

palmer · Fiddled Kiddy Joined: 21 Jul 2004 Karma :

lol actually no Wink

i want the sound to stay in the car - for my pleasure only like.

if i wanted to 'blast my tunes' id be doing a proper boot build Laughing

binge · Emo Kiddy Joined: 03 Jul 2004 Karma :

Why not do somthing usefull, and contact this company. They can build replacement door cards to house bigger and better speakers. Front and back.

https://www.bassbox.com/doorpods.htm

palmer · Fiddled Kiddy Joined: 21 Jul 2004 Karma :

by the way its a stealth shelf, so i have the option of not showing the speakers...

that link looks handy Thumbs Up

Whosthedaddy · Super Spammer Joined: 11 Dec 2005 Karma :

Too many speakers in the lightweight shelf that will lead to shite sound quality.

16x9 in the self and 6" in the front doors Thumbs Up

Then, a big fook off sub in the boot.

Its simple yet sooo nice Cool

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Rookie · World Chat Champion Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Karma :

I'd recommend something like this...

https://www.barryboys.co.uk/photos9/skelters210107punto4.JPG

...but you'd better get the car looking like this...

https://www.barryboys.co.uk/photos9/skelters210107Punto.JPG

palmer · Fiddled Kiddy Joined: 21 Jul 2004 Karma :

[quote="Whosthedaddy"]Too many speakers in the lightweight shelf that will lead to shite sound quality.quote]

its not that lightweight Laughing

could take the weight of a person easily i should think

as for that purple thing lol, thats way too over the top for me.

binge · Emo Kiddy Joined: 03 Jul 2004 Karma :

A bit of cloth over your speakers isnt going to make them sound good! Laughing

By the looks of things, Your running a set of Alpine speakers and a set of Pioneer Speakers.

You best option is to put them on ebay, Your Sure to get some good ££ for them as they are a bruvs wet dream.

Then bag yourself a set of these, And one of these.

Install them correctly. Tweeters up high, On the dash somwhere, Or adapt the current tweeter housing to hold those ones. Replace the current door speakers with those ones too.
Amp in the boot bolted to the back of the seats. And your on.

You will then have an outstanding quality of sound in your car. Thumbs Up

failing that, The Coaxs you have (The Pioneer speakers) are almost as good as the Component setup. Get them up front if you cant. You wont need to amp them providing you have a half decent head unit.
I know its not a 106, but In my mini I ran them like this.
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/binge/dash2.jpg

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binge · Emo Kiddy Joined: 03 Jul 2004 Karma :

palmer · Fiddled Kiddy Joined: 21 Jul 2004 Karma :

already done the front speakers, also replaced the thin standard wiring. sound quite nice runnig off the headunit, very crisp.

as for selling the speakers, ive only just got them Laughing

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BIKELESS STEVE · Scooby Slapper Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Karma :

From experience of both installs using 6x9s and mids will just sound messy. You get vocals fired at the roof linings, far too much high frequency and overkill on midbase.
Just buy good replacement fronts (angled towards drivers head)(ampd up) don't bother with rear shelf speakers (it's just an advert for someone to show you've got kit worth robbing, yes, even with a 'stealth' shelf and who cares about the passengers in the back) Dump a 10 or 12" ampd sub in the boot. Good sound deadening in the doors and boot lid will help (several layers if you want to do the job properly).
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Suzuki · Roger Joined: 03 May 2005 Karma :

Maybe he just wants lots of speakers to make his car loud, and so that we all have to hear it.
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binge · Emo Kiddy Joined: 03 Jul 2004 Karma :

Anyway, As fun as the offtopic slateing of Palmers boy Rude car was! A bit back on topic to his origional Question. Which would be a better arrangement on the rear shelf.

In all honnesty, Id probably mount the 6x9s on the rear shelf. And try getting those Pioneer Coaxs down in the rear door cards. There must be somwhere to mount a set of pods there. Im sure my mate had 6x9s in the rear door "Pockets". So should be do able.

other than that, if you do want to put them all on the rear shelf. Then Id go with the 6x9s to the outside as these are going to be chucking out more bass than the Pioneer Coaxs.

Another little thaught on these rear speakers is, How do you intend to wire them up?

Im guessing your going to pair them up, so you will have a 6x9 and a Coaxs running off one channel, And the same for the other channel?

This WILL sound bad. Laughing

Im also guessing they are different power ratings. So your head unit is going to be trying to power 2 completely different speakers, through the same channel.

Doing this will either Clip the signal sent from the Head unit, and completely bugger your speakers, OR your amplifier in the head unit is going to be strugeling to power these speakers, and you will end up KO`ing your Headunits built in amp.

Best bet, Buy a 4 channel Amp. Run Dual RCAs to the left and right on the amp. Then you have 4 seperate channels for the rear speakers. Meaning you can set them all up individually.

PM me if your unsure on the wiring.

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palmer · Fiddled Kiddy Joined: 21 Jul 2004 Karma :

been playing round in the car, i reckon with a little help from a bodywork friend i could get the 13cm to fit where the rear speakers used to be. these will use the old speakers wiring origin (with better wires) the 6x9 will go either side of the shelf and possibly also run off the headunit, although the sub im getting comes with an amp so ill see what i can do with that.

as for sound deadening, i got a load of dynomat all ready to be put in. will be gping under the carper/behind panels and basically anywhere Laughing

chrisw · World Chat Champion Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Karma :

Visable speakers = smashed window + stolen audio gear

In a small hatchback (which I assume you have) you don't need rear speakers at all. I've set up more installs than I can count over the years in various size cars, the only ones I would say had a case for rear speakers where large saloons and even those had them faded to virtually nothing.

You don't need 6x9s with a sub, sell them.

Dynomat is a waste of money to. Marley Flashing tape, few pounds for meters and meters of the stuff, does the same job if your on a budget.

binge · Emo Kiddy Joined: 03 Jul 2004 Karma :