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freestyler_onli
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 06 Feb 2007    Post subject: We Need This Guy As Prime Minister Reply with quote

This guy gets my vote. If only our Home Secretary would take note!


TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO, HE IS THE MARICOPA COUNTY SHERIFF (ARIZONA) AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER AGAIN.





These are some of the reasons why:





* Sheriff Joe Arpaio created the "tent city jail" to save Arizona

from spending tens of million of dollars on another expensive prison

complex.



* He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the

inmates for them.



* He banned smoking and porno magazines in the jails, and took

away their weightlifting equipment and cut off all but "G" movies. He

says: "they're in jail to pay a debt to society not to build muscles so they can assault innocent people when they leave."



* He started chain gangs to use the inmates to do free work on

county and city projects and save taxpayer's money.



* Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued

for discrimination.



* He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal

court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up the cable TV again but only allows the Disney channel and the weather channel.



* When asked why the weather channel he replied: "so these morons

will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain

gangs."



* He cut off coffee because it has zero nutritional value and is



therefore a waste of taxpayer money. When the inmates complained,

he told them, "This isn't the Ritz/Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back."



* He also bought the Newt Gingrich lecture series on US history

that he pipes into the jails. When asked by a reporter if he had any

lecture series by a Democrat, he replied that a democratic lecture series that actually tells the truth for a change would be welcome and that it might even explain why 95% of the inmates were in his jails in the first place.



* With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116

degrees just set a new record for June 2nd), the Associated Press reports: About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed- wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.



* On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing pink boxer shorts were

chatting in the tents, where temperatures reached 128 degrees. "This is

hell. It feels like we live in a furnace," said Ernesto Gonzales, an

inmate for 2 years with 10 more to go. "It's inhumane."



* Joe Arpaio, who makes his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna

sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. "Criminals should be punished

for their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for parole, only to go out and commit more crimes so they can come back in to live on

taxpayers money and enjoy things many taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves."



* Wednesday he told all the inmates who were complaining of the

heat in the tents: "It's between 120 to 130 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to walk all day in the sun, wearing full battle gear and get shot at, and they have not committed any crimes, so shut your damned mouths!"



* Way to go, Sheriff! If all prisons were like yours there would

be a lot less crime and we would not be in the current position of

running out of prison spaces.



If you agree, pass this on. If not, you are a namby-pamby liberal

bed-wetter so just delete it.



Sheriff Joe was just re-elected Sheriff in Maricopa County ,

Arizona
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 06 Feb 2007    Post subject: Re: We Need This Guy As Prime Minister Reply with quote

And yet the crime rate in Maricopa County doesn't seem to be dropping as radically as those statements suggest.

Violent crime rates are down slightly yet property crime is on the increase.

freestyler_onli wrote:
* Sheriff Joe Arpaio created the "tent city jail" to save Arizona

from spending tens of million of dollars on another expensive prison

complex.


Given the weather we have here (more on the cold and wet side) you're just asking for inmate death there. Hypothermia anyone?


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* He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the

inmates for them.


As long as they are nutrionally sound and take into account individual requirements (for instance, religious) I can't see a huge problem here. However, given how much trouble schools have been having trying to lower the cost of dinners *and* make them healthy I'm just not sure that's viable here either.

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* He banned smoking and porno magazines in the jails, and took

away their weightlifting equipment and cut off all but "G" movies. He

says: "they're in jail to pay a debt to society not to build muscles so they can assault innocent people when they leave."


Banning smoking I'd be all for. Porno mags - hmm. That one would be debatable /shrug. The weight-lifting kit? That's getting silly... yes, they may well be more musclebound should they re-offend but you don't need to be so to commit crimes. That just smacks of the sort of headline grabbing bollocks that happens when you start electing such positions.

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* He started chain gangs to use the inmates to do free work on

county and city projects and save taxpayer's money.



* Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued

for discrimination.


All for inmates working. If they're fit and able I see no problem with this work being physical. Although... if you refer to his above assertion concerning not wanting his inmates to be physically strong/muscular it's a tad strange to give them such physically demading work which may well improve fitness.

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* When asked why the weather channel he replied: "so these morons

will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain

gangs."


See above response about this sort of headlining grabbing comment...

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* He cut off coffee because it has zero nutritional value and is



therefore a waste of taxpayer money. When the inmates complained,

he told them, "This isn't the Ritz/Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back."


On a personal note - nooooooooooooooooooooo!

Otherwise /shrug

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* He also bought the Newt Gingrich lecture series on US history

that he pipes into the jails. When asked by a reporter if he had any

lecture series by a Democrat, he replied that a democratic lecture series that actually tells the truth for a change would be welcome and that it might even explain why 95% of the inmates were in his jails in the first place.


So, bit of a republican then? > <

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Some stuff about pink


Nice... that's it. You reinforce that gender stuff. /sigh

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and eat bologna sandwiches


And he banned coffee for its lack of nutritional value?

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* Way to go, Sheriff! If all prisons were like yours there would

be a lot less crime and we would not be in the current position of

running out of prison spaces.


As mentioned above, that doesn't exactly seem to be the case.

Granted from what I can tell he has implemented some decent changes too (the education programme for one) a wholesale adoption of his techniques doesn't sound like the best of plans. To me that is. Oh, and I'm not a namby-pamby liberal btw > <
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 06 Feb 2007    Post subject: Re: We Need This Guy As Prime Minister Reply with quote

Arpaio can go take a running jump, nothing but a stupid publicity whore.
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 06 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As long as they are nutrionally sound and take into account individual requirements (for instance, religious) I can't see a huge problem here.

Why should exceptions be made for people's religions or personal beleifs?
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 06 Feb 2007    Post subject: Re: We Need This Guy As Prime Minister Reply with quote

[quote="strawberry"]
As long as they are nutrionally sound and take into account individual requirements (for instance, religious) I can't see a huge problem here. However, given how much trouble schools have been having trying to lower the cost of dinners *and* make them healthy I'm just not sure that's viable here either.

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and? British army has a daily meal budget of 36p , I recall the pre Iraq war propaganda where they had an army chef go on a TV cook show, the chef was asked by the host how much per soldier per day he said 36p,

sure they can buy in ultra bulk , but if you can feed a man to FIGHT for 36p a day , surely for prisoners who don't fo half as much work put it down to abour £1 a week? ,
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 06 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

From another thread, Mister James who works in a place a bit like a prison, said that he wouldnt like to work in a place that took away luxuries from prisoners as they would be hell to work with.

If this bloke is a publicity whore, at least hes good at it.

I particularly like "This isn't the Ritz/Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back."

I certainly think that getting prisoners to do useful work to offsett the cost of keeping them is a good idea.

I also think some prisoners might move somewhere else after gettting caught, so if they do get caught again, they'd go to a nicer jail.

It has always seemed odd to me that someone convicted of a violent crime is allowed to use weights to increase their ability to be violent.
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 06 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
If this bloke is a publicity whore, at least hes good at it.


That's about the only thing he is good at.

His career is marred with controversy including allowing torture of inmates. Take a look at https://www.arpaio.com/.
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 06 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the guy. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 06 Feb 2007    Post subject: Re: We Need This Guy As Prime Minister Reply with quote

strawberry wrote:
Given the weather we have here (more on the cold and wet side) you're just asking for inmate death there. Hypothermia anyone?


You say that like it's a bad thing? They're criminals, they've done wrong to innocent people, if theydon't want to be treated badly, don't fucking break the law!

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Banning smoking I'd be all for. Porno mags - hmm. That one would be debatable /shrug. The weight-lifting kit? That's getting silly... yes, they may well be more musclebound should they re-offend but you don't need to be so to commit crimes. That just smacks of the sort of headline grabbing bollocks that happens when you start electing such positions.


So, they get free porn and can use gym facilities that most people paying taxes can't afford on a daily basis..?
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 06 Feb 2007    Post subject: Re: We Need This Guy As Prime Minister Reply with quote

Adam_P wrote:


You say that like it's a bad thing? They're criminals, they've done wrong to innocent people, if theydon't want to be treated badly, don't fucking break the law!


After reading a bit, i have found that its not just convicted criminals who endure his harsh conditions, but also those who are awaiting trial who may be found innocent.
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 07 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I definitely agree with the weights thing, when people have a lot of spare time they fill it with activities, why let them fill it with an exercise which will give them stronger weapons to re-offend with when they're out? If they want to exercise they can jog. Strawberry, I don't see how walking around picking up rubbish is the same sort of exercise.

He sounds like a hard bastid to the inmates, and they probably have a hell of a time with those sorts of rules. But the alternative is one where we suffer for their crimes, so I think he's on the right tracks, even if it's a little extremist. If prisons were tougher, people might think twice about the crimes they commit.
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 07 Feb 2007    Post subject: Re: We Need This Guy As Prime Minister Reply with quote

strawberry wrote:
Given the weather we have here (more on the cold and wet side) you're just asking for inmate death there. Hypothermia anyone?


They can huddle like penguins.. if that doesn't work it's natural seleciton and should be left be.

I like his style. the lack of cable, weights and luxuries I don't get at Uni for 3k a year...
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 07 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the guy too Thumbs Up
Violent criminals/murderers shouldnt be treated well at all. Locking the fuckers up and throwing away the key and feeding them nothing but bread and water would also be a good method.
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PostPosted: 07:37 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonTony wrote:


If society wasn't subjected to the greed and corruption of the rich and powerful the 'need' for crime would be drastically reduced.

Where 'need' = the refusal of real men to be wage-slave tossers.


So you're saying those murderers and rapists were really just martyrs of modern society? Rolling Eyes

Even if we only look at the thieves, that's no better. Because they refuse to work for their money they're just a victimised group who did the only thing they could? Bollocks. There is no 'need' for crime, only people who think they 'need' whatever they're stealing, or 'need' money to buy their next fix.
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PostPosted: 08:04 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would be fine if a lot of the laws that put the people in prison in the first place were not so retarded.
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't help but spot some flaws in what you say!!

We should all stick it to the government and go robbing!

There will be sod all to nick! No one will have any money to buy anything for others to steal and even if they did, it wouldn't matter as there would be nothing to buy as no one is making anything!

Yes tax is high in this country, if it botheres you that much, there are lpenty of planes and boats you can take so you don't have to put up with it any more.

If you feel your getting crap money, do something about it, put in some work and better yourself and get a better job. You might be all against taxes and big corporations but I bet if, god forbid, you have a nasty off on the bike you'll be bloody gratefull for that hospital that's funded by taxes and those drugs made by the big corporations!
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Yeah, because every person in prison is in there because they're 'sticking it to the man'. They're in there because they decided working within the democratic system was a spineless thing to do. What a load of tripe! 99% of the people in there are in there because they were either greedy, violent or dishonest. The other 1%? Probably in for traffic offences.

The people you want every prison inmate to be is the Western version of Nelson Mandela, someone who's actually in prison for a cause they believe in, a political prisoner who's actually in there for unselfish reasons. And I doubt there's any political prisoners in a country where oppression is so frowned upon.

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Self employment, all cash in hand and nothing to the taxman...until you get caught and, suprise, you're one of those criminals in gaol.


Too bloody right! Democracy is all about putting in your fair share and getting things in return for it. Despite what you might think, I doubt the government somehow corruptly spend the billions upon billions you are talking about. What would they spend it on? Sure, a lot of it goes into projects I don't really have an interest in and if I had my way we wouldn't be a part of, like the Iraq war. But ultimately democracy is the same the world over, and if you don't have democracy, you've got communism. So either accept the system the way it is or go and live in Cuba!

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Every single adult refusing to pay council tax would be a good start. Then every single motorist refusing to pay scamera extortion. And road tax. Getting the idea? Civil disobediance, on a mass scale. Us telling them that we won't take it anymore, because this is OUR country, OUR lives and the government is a SERVANT, not a MASTER.


What a realistic idea! Let's assume that somehow, every adult in the UK is convinced for the right reasons that they shouldn't have to pay any tax. Well, there's the government gone. You seem to have this vision of the government as an invisible entity, yet really it's just a load of people living in suburbea, no different to anyone else.

Then let's assume that such a plan was implemented. Well, it might actually work. For about a day. Then all hell would break loose, all civil servants are out of a job remember. No roads being fixed, no rubbish collection, nothing that is provided by the government and as a result the councils. So no services whatsoever. No medical or dental care, no schools, nothing. Within a year we'd have either evolved into some (significantly smaller) idyllic population who grow fruit and sell it for a chair (communism) or a complete mob rule society where the most violent get the prize joints. And based on the human condition, I'd bet my limbs in would be the latter.


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PostPosted: 15:02 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonTony wrote:


Keep kidding yourself, I know it sweetens the pill. Laughing


Even if by some leviathon stretch of the imagination, you had a valid point, ignorance is bliss. Smile
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonTony wrote:

If ignorance is bliss, beating seven shades of shite out of the system must be pure ecstasy. Laughing


The System will not be beaten. The System triumphs in the end. You have no future, Mr. Anderson.
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