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Wooly R6
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Global Warming my Rectum Reply with quote

If global warming is warming the planet so much, why does it still snow!!!! Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

History records is being cold enough to freeze the Thames river over so you could walk from one bank to the other. They even built a bonfire on the ice.

Today the pipes didn't even freeze up on the site I was working. I remember that being a common occurance every winter but I haven't seen it happen in recent years.
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

What snow...... Mad
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January was generally a better month than average, with mean temperatures slightly higher than normal.

It was also drier and sunnier than normal.
Rainfall for the month - 61mm (Long term average 87mm)
Sunshine - 55 hours (LTA 43 hours)
Daytime temperatures 7C (LTA 6.5C)



We have not even had a prolonged spell of cold weather to trigger the extra fuel supp.....

Pretty sure the only slippy stuff in the last few days has to be the grit and dammed diesel that the gritters dump on the roads...
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Global Warming (if it is actually occurring and not just a cycle the planet's going through), could theoretically cause another ice age (if the amount of ice-cap melting reduces the salt levels in the sea and slows down/cuts off the Gulf Stream), as well as turning the UK into a south of France type climate with added tropical storms and flash flooding, or raising sea levels so we all have to convert to jet skis.......

....who knows - from my point of view, the weather's been pretty nuts these last few weeks....
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I were a lad it snowed every year.

Now they close schools for an inch of the stuff.

It's madness I tell yer!
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

craigs23 wrote:
(if it is actually occurring and not just a cycle the planet's going through)


Precisely. The media conveniently forgets that there have been massive climate changes in the past without any help from us humans.
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but the planet doesn't naturally pump out the millions of tonnes of Co2 and Nitrogen Oxides we do. I don't think there's any doubt what we've been doing for the last couple of hundred years has affected the planet significantly. However I think it's more than capable of repairing itself over time if we cut it out, and maybe a 'reset' is the way, in the form of an Ice Age or similar.
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PostPosted: 20:08 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phoenix wrote:
Yes, but the planet doesn't naturally pump out the millions of tonnes of Co2 and Nitrogen Oxides we do. .


Maybe thats what caused the dino's to become extinct. They must have pumped out masses of Co2 and god know's what other gasses out of the other end eating all that green veggie stuff.

Lets face it not so long ago these same bods were predicting another ice age....
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the early 19th century the Thames froze over and they roasted a hog on the ice and that was in May!
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

what i dont get with all this global warming nonsence is that they keep moaning about the rising sea levels...

so i had a thought..

if we take all the boats, ships, ocean liners etc out of the water, how much would the water level drop??
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wooly R6 wrote:
If global warming is warming the planet so much, why does it still snow!!!! Evil or Very Mad


Just as warm events are not proof of global warming, cold events are also not proof that global warming isn't happening.

And on a global scale a warming in one area can cause different effects in other areas. For example it is claimed that the area of the ice caps is shrinking, but also claimed that they are increasing in thicknesss. Both perfectly possible. Warmer planet means the edges melt, but also means the water vapour will stay in the air to a point closer to the centre of the ice before dropping out as snow.

We have certainly had plenty more snow in the past. All that seems to have happened today is total hysteria. Small amount of snow and panic has settled in.

About 15 years ago the NEC bike show was showed off. About 4 inches of snow fell and settled over night. Guess who dug a channel several hundred yards out to the main road for the bike to ride there on the Sunday, then rode in the snow for several hours before finding it was cancelled Rolling Eyes .

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Yes, but the planet doesn't naturally pump out the millions of tonnes of Co2 and Nitrogen Oxides we do.


The amount of CO2 that industrial activity adds is quite small compared to natural CO2 emissions.

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PostPosted: 22:06 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

What natural emissions? Plants? Animals? Volcanoes? Sulphur Springs? Natural occurances of Co2 are fairly balanced afaik, and I can't personally see industrial Co2 emissions being insignificant, nearly every country has millions of cars, numerous power plants, industrial furnaces and whatnot, each burning huge amounts of carbon based substances, and apparently the entire earth's reserve of oil is running low, so how can that be insignificant, it's also sustained 24/7.

You're confusing quantity with balance, naturally it's balanced, add a (relatively) small amount extra and over time it's gonna tip the scales.
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Man made CO2 emissions make up about 3% of total CO2 emissions. The rest are natural.

Sure you can argue that the natural ones are balanced. They are absorbed by plants, but the plants thrive in a CO2 rich environment, absorbing more.

But you said the planet doesn't naturally pump out the millions of tonnes of Co2 and Nitrogen Oxides, when it certainly does.

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PostPosted: 23:11 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Man made CO2 emissions make up about 3% of total CO2 emissions. The rest are natural.

Sure you can argue that the natural ones are balanced. They are absorbed by plants, but the plants thrive in a CO2 rich environment, absorbing more.

But you said the planet doesn't naturally pump out the millions of tonnes of Co2 and Nitrogen Oxides, when it certainly does.


I'm reluctant to join this debate here.

But climate change denial has been rebuffed.

We are fucking it all up.

We ARE changing the weather.

It does not belong on BCF IMO.
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

However humans are estimated to produce just under a kilo of carbon dioxide per day through breathing. You're average car is about a kilo every 3miles? And that's your average economical car. Multiply that by all the vehicles in the world, the power stations, the furnaces and I think you have a fairly serious balance issue. And plants may thrive in Co2 rich environments, however surely they can still only absorb the same amount as before, animals don't. There's also a lot less plantlife than there used to be.
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PostPosted: 23:31 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

wilbur wrote:

But climate change denial has been rebuffed.


Far from it. There seems to be far less acceptance of climate change theories now than there was a decade ago.

Either way, true or not, we still are far from having evidence to confirm or deny the theories.

Phoenix wrote:
However humans are estimated to produce just under a kilo of carbon dioxide per day through breathing. You're average car is about a kilo every 3miles? And that's your average economical car. Multiply that by all the vehicles in the world, the power stations, the furnaces and I think you have a fairly serious balance issue.


There are plenty of other animals respiring. There are large amounts of CO2 emitted from volcanos and the like.

Phoenix wrote:
And plants may thrive in Co2 rich environments, however surely they can still only absorb the same amount as before, animals don't. There's also a lot less plantlife than there used to be.


No, they will grow rapidly and absorb more CO2.

Agreed on the less plantlife, although the only bit that really matters is fresh plant life. A grown tree just sitting there is not absorbing much CO2, just storing the carbon. Although you do have the issue that the rotting vegitation could give off methane which is rather worse.

All the best

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PostPosted: 08:01 - 09 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Warming of the Earth effects different places, differently.

A temperature decrease of 1 degree Fahrenheit at the equator is equal to a 12 degree increase at the polar ice caps.

Now this might not seem like a problem because no one lives at the poles, the problem is that this can cause polar ice caps to melt, and while it will not effect a lot of people, it will still flood large areas of America (New York, San Fransisco, Florida), Bangladesh will be completely flooded off the map, many many islands, such as those in the Caribbean islands will be completely flooded. Theres many other places but I forget them.

There are large amounts of emissions caused by volcanoes, but there aren't that many that are active any more, most of the active volcanoes are under water, which is less of an issue to us emissions wise.

Due to large areas of tropical rain forest being cut down daily, at one point in South America they were cutting down an area the size of Wales, daily. We are now suffering because there is not as much plant life available to take some of the carbon out of the atmosphere. Which we are now suffering from.

Granted that the Earth is on a natural cycle of temperature increase (do some research into the Milankovitch Cycles), this is a theory, backed by evidence showing that the Earths temperature increases naturally, until it reaches a point of extreme heat, and then drops into an ice age.

We are on the point of increasing temperatures, but we are increasing a lot faster than it was predicted, and so, we are effectively accelerating towards an ice age, I'm not so sure thats a good thing.

We are able to do something about emissions, however the problem really is that America, and China, and also Australia are refusing to help out, with these being the largest contributors, there isn't much we can do till they stop.

We did manage to fix the hole in the ozone layer by working at the CFC problem, who's to say we can't undo some of the damage caused by carbon emissions, if not de-accelerate the effects.

I'd recommend watching Al Gores - An Inconvenient Truth, he presents a list of very good points without trying to force you to take his view. It's interesting to say the least.
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PostPosted: 08:28 - 09 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

ncrn wrote:
We are able to do something about emissions, however the problem really is that America, and China, and also Australia are refusing to help out, with these being the largest contributors, there isn't much we can do till they stop.


And as they do not believe there is a problem, they are hardly going to stop

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We did manage to fix the hole in the ozone layer by working at the CFC problem


The ozone layer hole around NZ was found, rather than known to be created, and still exists with a changed size. While the move to non CFC refrigerants is an easy one (virtually no real costs), it is not certain that these had caused the hole. For a start there is the issue of how heavier than air gases rose up to the ozone layer to damage it.

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PostPosted: 10:56 - 09 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whilst global warming can be argued by pseudo-intellectuals, dependency on fossil fuels is something that must and will have to change, that is a fact that cannot be denied,

Sure, global warming COULD be wrong. But do we really want to take the risk? If we were to change to renewable energy tomorrow, and find out in 50 years time that global warming was a complete farce, there would be no problem.

However, if we were to ignore it and carry on as we are either;

1. Global warming intensifies and the planet falls to shit(tier) conditions.

2. Global warming is proven untrue, yet our dependency on fossil fuels becomes the big problem and I can see a lot of wars - political, corporate and perhaps even militaristic evolving from such a scenario. Rest assured that fossil fuels are run by the most powerful (read; richest) people on the planet and people of that status are not willing to give it up to renewable sources.
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 09 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If a cow produces as much co2 as a landrover, i'd hate to see what came out the arse end of a T-Rex Shocked
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 09 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have 100% proof off global warming.
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 09 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm partially to blame for greenhouse gases, as my previous house had 2 greenhouses.
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 09 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

m99dws wrote:
I'm partially to blame for greenhouse gases, as my previous house had 2 greenhouses.

But I dont have a greenhouse so thats ok, You're just using my share. Its just the same as the UK reducing its carbon emissions, then selling our allowance to china so they dont have to reduce theirs.
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 09 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColdInsomnia wrote:
Whilst global warming can be argued by pseudo-intellectuals, dependency on fossil fuels is something that must and will have to change, that is a fact that cannot be denied


Would tend to agree. Fossil fuels are a finite resource (although there have been claims that oil is continuously being created, tend to take that with a massive pinch of salt). However we do still have very large reserves, just that the price goes up as they become harder to extract.

ColdInsomnia wrote:
Sure, global warming COULD be wrong. But do we really want to take the risk? If we were to change to renewable energy tomorrow, and find out in 50 years time that global warming was a complete farce, there would be no problem.


Possibly true, as long as in the mean time you are prepared for far higher fuel prices and destruction of local industry.

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If a cow produces as much co2 as a landrover, i'd hate to see what came out the arse end of a T-Rex Shocked


Don't know, but solid enough that archeologists are still finding it lying round.

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PostPosted: 23:04 - 09 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Owdamer wrote:
m99dws wrote:
I'm partially to blame for greenhouse gases, as my previous house had 2 greenhouses.

But I dont have a greenhouse so thats ok, You're just using my share. Its just the same as the UK reducing its carbon emissions, then selling our allowance to china so they dont have to reduce theirs.


Would the plural of greenhouse be greenhice Question
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