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SilvaRizla
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 07 Feb 2007    Post subject: Salt/Grit Reply with quote

Slippery as a greased up baby!

Bloody horrible stuff, lost the back end as I joined a sweeping downhill left that'd been gritted today. Fuck knows how I got it back and didn't highside, I wasn't far off being sideways with my left foot on the ground.

After that I overtook a bus and a taxi was pulling out (wasn't a junction he'd come on to the curb to let his passenger out). Managed to sqeeze between him and the car on the other side and give him the evil eyes.

Then white van man pulled out on me, another back wheel in the air job but I didn't hit him. - It was dark and I had my lights on too, dunno how he didn't see me

Just a general bad biking day

Oh well, all part of the package

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PostPosted: 21:29 - 07 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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New road grit popular - with sheep

A new way of gritting roads in winter is proving too popular for its own good - with sheep.

They find a new sugary-coated winter salt too tasty - and keep licking it off the road, reports the Daily Post.

Flintshire in North Wales has started gritting its roads with the "environmentally friendly agricultural by-product".

Molasses are added to the salt to help it stick to icy roads instead of bouncing off.

But in areas where sheep roam freely, the passing of a council gritter is now the call for a free tasty treat.

Elfed Evans, of Lixwm, said: "As soon as the gritter has passed they converge in their hundreds onto the roads to lick the free meal provided by the council.

"It is believed that the adjunct used to coat the rock salt contains molasses. The sheep quickly become intoxicated and addicted to the new sweet tasting salt."

Mr Evans is chairman of the Halkyn Joint Consultative Board which is now asking Flintshire to resume using ordinary rock salt.

A Flintshire county council spokeswoman said: "We note the concerns in relation to the sheep but it is known that they can also be attracted to the basic rock salt.

"The environmental advantages of using this product is it is less corrosive to vehicles and the road infrastructure generally and it does spread more accurately."



I've been trying to figure out whats in grit salt and google is a right arse when it comes down to it, the closest I got is this
https://www.saltinfo.com/responsible.htm

but yeah I've been wheel spinning like a bugger and cornering on morning roads are as scary as hell, the bike handles like shite
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 07 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

sodium hexacyanoferrate (II) - anti-caking
Molasses - de-icer
sand
gravel

Thats about all I can find?
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PostPosted: 01:27 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The main problem is that the salt and grit together with car tyres acts like grinding paste and polishes all the little pebbles in the road surface to a mirror shine. This is why it feels like you're riding on glass.
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PostPosted: 03:01 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

a light sprnikling of small bell bearings
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Err... if you know the roads have been gritted then you should be taking extra care as there's still a risk of ice even on treated roads.

If you lack the machine control to ride in bad weather, perhaps you should be taking the bus instead?
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The molasses attract sheep onto the road. These sheep then refuse to move, even if you try and push them out of the way. They're addicted to the sugar and cause major problems on Highland roads. Deer cause the same problems too, with salt as well. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe they should add a tastes bad additive to stop the critters snacking
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

KTM Gordo wrote:
Err... if you know the roads have been gritted then you should be taking extra care as there's still a risk of ice even on treated roads.

If you lack the machine control to ride in bad weather, perhaps you should be taking the bus instead?


I don't lack machine control, I was pushing it a little bit but nothing major and its a bit difficult to take extra care when you're out for a lunch time blast because you're p*ssed off and want to be giving it the berries. Afterall, if you don't push you're current limits your riding will never improve
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

SilvaRizla wrote:
KTM Gordo wrote:
Err... if you know the roads have been gritted then you should be taking extra care as there's still a risk of ice even on treated roads.

If you lack the machine control to ride in bad weather, perhaps you should be taking the bus instead?


I don't lack machine control, I was pushing it a little bit but nothing major and its a bit difficult to take extra care when you're out for a lunch time blast because you're p*ssed off and want to be giving it the berries. Afterall, if you don't push you're current limits your riding will never improve


If you slide headfirst under a bus as well you will never improve.

I hope it's not Liverpool you are talking about either as a) It's fucking mental here with ice and snow and b) I have to ride home Sad
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, but this was yesterday when it was relativley ok, on Kirkby/Ormskirk roads which are nowhere near as bad as Liverpool,

Safe ride

Silva

PS Is your bike sorted yet
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

SilvaRizla wrote:
I don't lack machine control, I was pushing it a little bit but nothing major and its a bit difficult to take extra care when you're out for a lunch time blast because you're p*ssed off and want to be giving it the berries.

Riding when you're wound up, on slippery roads is asking for trouble. Driving without due care attention is an offence, and crashing and hurting yourself because you couldn't restrain yourself isn't good either.

You may not lack machine control, but you do appear to lack self control. Just think how frustrated you'd be if you couldn't ride because you were on crutches for three months?

It's your choice.
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think you might be forming your own conclusions about someone you might not know, eg the machine, self controll.
From what I can gather the comment at the start of the thread was isnt it rather slippy outside
and how he managed to NOT have any accidents.
If you had directed it at me I might have had to hunt you down and kill you twice, then use your sperm to make babies somehow and then kill them just for good measure Very Happy (that bits a joke)


you then commented about bike cotrol or lack of it, you m,ight not have directed this at rizla although It did read that way to me although depending on whos post you read first you could have said it about me as I am spinning the back end up on the odd occasion and I mentioned cornering is as scary as hell.
ok, fair enough, I know you don't know me so I wont take it to heart about my said bike controll. I could mention I used to teach motocross and trails and have more years off road riding experience than I do on road and on road I have well over 30,000 miles all weathers on different bikes.

anyway back on topic, I think the snow isnt helping matters at the moment becasue as it melts its washing away all the salt and then the damp is freezing up again. Tiz a right royal pain in the arse
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Biggest problem I find with the stuff they are chucking on the roads now is that it just smears on your visor. Virtually impossible to keep it clear to see where you are going.

All the best

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PostPosted: 23:48 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Biggest problem I find with the stuff they are chucking on the roads now is that it just smears on your visor. Virtually impossible to keep it clear to see where you are going.

All the best

Keith


I'm just keeping mine up now, it's horrible.
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 09 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get one of those rubber wiper thingies that you can slip onto a gloved finger (I think they are called bob heath vee's or something like that). They cost about 3 or 4 quid. I dont have any problems at all when using one of them. I ride about 90 miles a day everyday. Just keep wiping it off. Dont let the muck dry. If it dries, it smears when you try to wipe it off.
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 09 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutly no problem with grit/salt in Birminham today as the fuckers never put any down.
Ice everywhere instead.
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 09 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

nrml76 wrote:
Get one of those rubber wiper thingies that you can slip onto a gloved finger (I think they are called bob heath vee's or something like that).


Got one built into my gloves, but still smears.

All the best

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PostPosted: 00:53 - 10 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

1930 Ariel wrote:
Absolutly no problem with grit/salt in Birminham today as the fuckers never put any down.
Ice everywhere instead.


Inlaw phoned and told me it took him 2 hours to get from Nechells to Smethwick.

I live on top of a hill North of Stoke, gritting lorry has already been round three times today plus a snow plough, benefit of living by dairy farms. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 01:11 - 10 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not far from Nechells it was bloody chaos. I walked as the roads were so bad and saw a dozen crashes in an hour. Watching a pair of fire engines loosing it on a corner is scary.
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PostPosted: 02:34 - 10 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teaman wrote:
I've been trying to figure out whats in grit salt and google is a right arse when it comes down to it, the closest I got is this
https://www.saltinfo.com/responsible.htm


They basically just mix rock salt with grit. The grit provides instant traction but doesn't actually get rid of the snow/ice. The salt melts the snow/ice but only really starts taking effect when the traffic drives over it. The mix they use depends on what kinda roads they're covering. Your average busy main road has drains which get blocked up with too much grit, and there's plenty of traffic so they use more salt. On the rural roads there's little traffic to wear in the salt and no drains so they use a higher ratio of grit.
Then on the bridges they use a liquid anti freeze as the salt wouldn't do much good to the metalwork Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 10 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Found this mentioning the molasses they add, and why.

https://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2181287.html

All the best

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PostPosted: 18:23 - 10 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:


Got one built into my gloves, but still smears.

All the best

Keith


I was having major trouble with this riding last Winter, and found when I got home the best thing for polishing the crap off was a furniture polishing cloth. Maybe sewing a bit of one of those onto the thumb of your glove might help.
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 10 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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New road grit popular - with sheep

A new way of gritting roads in winter is proving too popular for its own good - with sheep.

They find a new sugary-coated winter salt too tasty - and keep licking it off the road, reports the Daily Post.

Flintshire in North Wales has started gritting its roads with the "environmentally friendly agricultural by-product".

Molasses are added to the salt to help it stick to icy roads instead of bouncing off.

But in areas where sheep roam freely, the passing of a council gritter is now the call for a free tasty treat.

Elfed Evans, of Lixwm, said: "As soon as the gritter has passed they converge in their hundreds onto the roads to lick the free meal provided by the council.

"It is believed that the adjunct used to coat the rock salt contains molasses. The sheep quickly become intoxicated and addicted to the new sweet tasting salt."

Mr Evans is chairman of the Halkyn Joint Consultative Board which is now asking Flintshire to resume using ordinary rock salt.

A Flintshire county council spokeswoman said: "We note the concerns in relation to the sheep but it is known that they can also be attracted to the basic rock salt.

"The environmental advantages of using this product is it is less corrosive to vehicles and the road infrastructure generally and it does spread more accurately."


It's amazing what the welsh will do to get a sheep to stick it's ar$e in the air. Wink
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 10 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Might be worth a try cleaning it first to see if it work.

However other gloves have a shamy (sp) leather patch for cleaning the visor and that works ok for a bit but rapidly seems to clog up.

All the best

Keith
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