RGV250R vs. VFR400?

[Timmeh]

'lo all.

Some people compare the RS250 to the VFR4; however I personally am not a fan of the Aprilia's styling, hence my thoughts about the RGV. I'm after a mid-range bike as a fun runaround and possibly a track-day learner; although I'd love an RVF I can't really excuse the extra price, and I've got the 600 filling my heavyweight needs (until I go for a Blade after I've chalked up enough experience)

Your thoughts? Or should I be looking at something different?
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[NSR Mick]

how are you with spanners?

the vfr will go and go, the rgv wont.

A 2 stroke will give you more smiles when you get it right.
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[thefallenange...]

i went for the KR1 which i've ridden and it feels fast and if you want it as a bit of fun it seems a better option.
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[Jack_Cheese]

The RGV has the same engine as an Aprilia RS250, so they're pretty much the same as far as reliability goes. Don't buy a 4-stroke, they have no soul!
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[Blau Zedong]

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If you've got a 600, I would definite go for the 2 stroke for fun.

It will hopefully 'teach' you a bit better than the 4 stroke the importance of keeping the engine on song, also should allow you to push it that bit extra in the corners etc.

[MarJay]

[NSR Mick]

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I rode both my RSs a fair bit and didn't have any problems - including decent distances in a day for such a bike.

Think you and goose were mostly unlucky - both had had 'home tuning' though. Other people on here with them that have been fine and used them decently.

Also, I presumed he meant the RS250 and RGV250 were the same for reliability?

[MarJay]

[palmer]

gsxr400

rgv with a 4 stroke engine.

[Kickstart]

[palmer]

how dare you

25k on the clocks and it runs perfectly

[Pte1643]

[Jack_Cheese]

the RS and RGV are pretty much the same as far as reliability goes, NOT the RGV and the VFR. I made this comparison, as timmeh said he knew what the RS250 was like (or words to that effect)

So please, Marjay, Please please please don't talk such crap

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[NSR Mick]

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[Jack_Cheese]

[hairychipstic...]

the rgv 250 vj22 has exactly the same engine as the aprilia rs250
identical, powervalves are the same, aprilia took on suzukis crap design, dave cooper racing do a fix, single piece valves that also add power, but at a fair price
the older vj21 doesnt have the same powervalve set up and i wuldnt include the vj23 here coz u arent gonna get one of them
for fun the 2 stroke will be better, but the vfr will be more trustworthy
i gave up on my rs250 after 3 years coz i got fed up with not being able to go on long spins in peace, but it was fun when it worked

[EllioTT_GiXXeR]

I got a 600 and a rgv, havn't had any problems with the 250 but i only use it on the weekends and when its sunny.

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[EuropeanNC30R...]

I've owned both, VJ21 RGV for a year and VFR400 for over three years.

Imo the VFR is a much better all-round bike, a hell of a lot cheaper to run and more practical. The build quality is also more solid, although you can see in the rgv's build that it was just designed purely for performance.

My RGV wasn't unreliable, in fact it had 100% reliability until I ran it about 5k miles past it's recommended top end rebuild interval and it ate a piston. Can't blame it for that, but it's not ideally something to run on an impoverished student budget.

I think the RGV did teach me how to ride, one summer when I was 18 I used to go out doing 150 mile trips three times a week until it blew up just because it was so much fun. I don't think I ever exploited the RGV's supposedly better handling than the VFR and don't think I could on the road, though if you take it on track that's a different story.

Still though, the running costs are massive compared to the VFR when you take into account the two-strokes 25mpg, one litre of £10 oil every 200 miles and rebuilds which it will need if you don't want to blow it up.

Seeing as you already have the four stroke, the RGV may be the better option but tread very carefully, there's a lot of dogs out there.

[crm250]

Had a VJ22 and a VJ23 and a load of NC30's

VJ22's were good fun and peaky buggers, handled ok and were cheap fun but there was always that hand covering the clutch lever.

VJ23 was even better, a bit less frantic up top but much more grunt and better handling and brakes. If i was to own another stroker this would be it again.

NC30 - owned loads and still do, anyone who thinks the honda V4 is bland needs a wake up call, they are great fun to ride and with a pipe sound great. For that 2 stroke feel add a pipe and a set of RVF carbs for that rush at 7k feel.

I have had far more fun riding the V4 over the strokers, dont get me wrong i love 250's but i prefer the less stress of the V4 now and being honest the 250 is easier to get off the mark, but the V4 has it up top and the first sign of a hill. as for handling sure the V4 is heavy even today, but its stable and with a good rear shock and front end setup its still right up there.

I also have a 600RR which is just booorrrinng to ride, and the V4's win everytime IMO