Braided Brake Lines

[Visitor Q]

Right, the misses has very kindly said she'll buy me some new hoses for valentines day (so much fucking better then teddy bears ).

Anyway ive got my eye on these as its about bang on price range. Here

Things that i'd like to know;
a) Are they good quality... does quality matter for general road use?
b) Will it affect braking/my hassle free life that they want me to plumb in two seperate lines from the master cylinder straight to each caliper... rather then having one line from master cylinger splitting off at wheel level to go to each caliper?

Anyone had good/bad experience with these guys?
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Don't get those as they have zinc banjos which will rust away. I'm surprised that they can sell them like this. Make sure the fittings are stainless steel as well.

I got some HELs from ebay for a good price.

[Pte1643]

[Zen Dog]

I've got HEL ones and they are excellent, even if the rest of my brakes arent, esp. atm.

As pte said, 2 lines is what ive got and it works great, but as Joe said, get stainless fittings if you can, mine still look brand new.

Zen Dog

P.S. Top girlfriend getting you hoses!
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[craigs23]

I never had any finish issues with the same Zinc items fitted to my RVF, but then again, it rarely saw rain.

The stainless Hel lines I fitted to my Blade were of no apparent quality improvement over the zinc items I had previously fitted.

Seperate lines running to each caliper, directly from the master cylinder is generally an improved setup - each caliper gets a direct line of oil. No more/less hassle but I haven't tried a split braided line setup.

No problems what so ever with the seller (he's still running his business very well by the looks of it, 2 years since I used his service).

[Pte1643]

[owdamer]

I had alloy fittings on my yzf750 about 10 years ago. This is what happens to them. I was braking for a turning one day and the lever came back to the bars and I over shot. When I examined my brakes the fittings had split and the fluid was leaking out badly, especially when you pulled the lever.

https://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/owdamer/Brakes/brokenbrake.jpg

[Pte1643]

[mr.z]

The reuseable fittings really are utterly shit
(not a problem if they are used as intend for track, where they'd be replaced quite reguarly unlike a roadbike)

Got mine made by these https://www.earls.co.uk/ via https://www.pirtek.co.uk/ these guys (the one i went to was in derby and they were great)
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[Zen Dog]

None of this reflects on zinc-plated fittings though, which may be fine. Only anodised.

Zen Dog
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Anodised fittings corrode, from the inside out where the braiding has taken the protective anodising off when they are assembled. They are not illegal for road use, just not a great idea.

M1kes brakes

https://www.alfa-pages.co.uk/TempPicture/mikesBrakes.jpg

Nighteyes brakes

https://www.alfa-pages.co.uk/TempPicture/HelensBrakes.jpg

The plated ones will be fine, just might look a bit tatty after a few years.

All the best

Keith
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[McJamweasel]

If I was to MOT a bike with the anodised fitting I would fail it - and I know I'm nowhere near the only tester that would do so.

Spend the extra couple of quid and get full stainless, also make sure that you get the plastic coating too, even if it is clear. If you don't then the lines can chafe and eventually do this:

https://www.alfa-pages.co.uk/TempPicture/colsbrake.jpg
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[Wooly R6]

i would recommend HEL lines too - have some on my R6 - pretty easy to do (well, had my dad help) and they are quality!!!
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[Visitor Q]

Hmm... So whats the crack with Zinc ones then?

These all so far just reflect poorly on anodised tat, which everyone knows is well... tat.

I've emailed a couple more sellers, i may yet go for a rear caliper/ss braided line/master + front ss braided lines set off ebay for £65.

Just im only really after the 3 hoses, so im pretty sure i could get them for cheaper then that.

But then again delivered, plus a spare caliper (thus saving me having to unsieze the pad release screw ) for roughly the same price.

But then again, no garantee and second hand.... hmmm
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Functionally nothing wrong with the zinc plated ones. Will work just as well. They will likely get some surface rust after a few years, but not likely to affect their performance for a hell of a long time.

You can also get ones with chrome plated fittings.

All the best

Keith
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[Wooly R6]

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/03-06-HONDA-CBR600RR-CBR600-HEL-3-LINE-BRAKE-KIT_W0QQitemZ290078602721QQihZ019QQcategoryZ25623QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

here ya go
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[The Tot]

As a materials engineering student, if it hasn't been explained before, i'll try to outline why it's bad to use different materials at a boundary. Using different metals at a boundary, namely between the banjo and the bleed nipple will provide an potential difference between the two materials; i.e. materials of differing electron negativity will conduct, essentially what you have is a cell. What with the rain and salt providing a solution for ionic conduction to occur, it will only be a matter of time until the rupture.

AFAIK, aluminium alloys and steel have a substantially large potential difference as the aluminium and steel provide a cathodic and anodic reaction site and ideally should not be used in combination for applications that demand long service life. Pitting and crack propagation on the surface of the alloy will occur.

So, ideally, if it's stainless steel with stainless steel, it'll be fine. Sorry if i bored you, but thought it would be something to show the theory. No i am not a nerd or a dweeb - just dead bored!
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[Zen Dog]

[SoulRider]

I actually ordered those lines in stainless steel from the same bloke on ebay. Very good lines and you get good service from the bloke (wezmoto) as well.

HTH


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[The Tot]

Sometimes, you would get better feel and feedback from using the rubber hoses when i asked my mechanic. After all, rubber ones usually last for a good 5 years or so. When would most of us keep sportsbikes for longer than a year or 2 before we'd change bikes?
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[fuzz]

[Glen]

Local garage put me some lovely Goodridge stainless braided hoses on the ZX6r for £80 all in which I though was quite good a price Well worth the investment imo

[Visitor Q]

We have a winner

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120087045619&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=002

52 quid all in for a full kit, and ill fit them myself when i go back.
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[Zen Dog]

Look identical to the ones I bought, good kit.

Zen Dog
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