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Street Fighter
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 19 Feb 2007    Post subject: IAM membership Reply with quote

I under took some rider training last year with IAM and subsequently passed my advanced test. My membership has just come up for renewal a cost of £17.50 and I can't decide whether or not it's worth subscribing?

Just wondered if anyone else out there is a member and what benefits they feel they receive as a consequence???
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 19 Feb 2007    Post subject: Re: IAM membership Reply with quote

Street Fighter wrote:
IAM ... £17.50


Quite reasonable for a fluoro sam browne, beard and cardigan I reckon...
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 19 Feb 2007    Post subject: Re: IAM membership Reply with quote

bazza wrote:
Street Fighter wrote:
IAM ... £17.50


Quite reasonable for a fluoro sam browne, beard and cardigan I reckon...


not forgetting the crazy stickers plastered to the screen that look like 50m swimming awards!
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 19 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

My local IAM had an argument over how many times the indicators should flash before you completed a manouvere.
I think they reached an agreement at 12.
Interesting bunch.
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 19 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

membership still gets serious reduction in insurance premiums........
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 19 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're not all a bunch of borin' old chuffers. The Bloke's dad is an observer for the IAM. Him and The Wife are in their 60s but still whizz round europe on motorbikes as powerful as my car. They sent us a text message from the last TT to tell us they'd got the front wheel off the ground (on an FJR1300) on the brow of a hill...

And I can't even tell my parents I've got a bike. Now that's chuffin' boring.
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 19 Feb 2007    Post subject: Re: IAM membership Reply with quote

Street Fighter wrote:
I under took some rider training last year with IAM and subsequently passed my advanced test. My membership has just come up for renewal a cost of £17.50 and I can't decide whether or not it's worth subscribing?

Just wondered if anyone else out there is a member and what benefits they feel they receive as a consequence???


I am about to undertake training with IAM. I am relatively new to biknig and was hoping to find a few handy tips to help me stay a bit safer. I commute daily on my bike and have had a few hairy moments with unobservant car drivers. Did you think it taught you much? Was the test easy enough?
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PostPosted: 00:51 - 20 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without wanting to generalise, all the advanced drivers I've been a passenger with, have been self righteous, condescending, and constantly complaining about other drivers around them.

.....except one, a female work colleague, who got so fed up with the women driver comments she did it to give a big Middle Finger to us all!

Still, I think I'd like to put in for it at some time, since I clearly have all the above qualities already, (apart from being female)
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PostPosted: 06:36 - 20 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've done the course and am still a member. You can meet some self rightous individuals, but they are the few (Group: London Advanced Motorcyclists).

Mostly its about sensible ways to improve your safety - Which on the flip side means you could go faster for the same level of safety you enjoy now.

You choose which you want to do.

The reason I stay is because I get to go out for a ride with people of a similar level of ability and dedication. I was finding that I didn't know enough people whom wanted to go out most weekends and enjoy long rides at reasonable speeds (in corners not just on the straights). I also like more technical roads (B roads/mud tracks etc).

Its not about being better than anyone else, its just about enjoying yourself and improving your technique.

If you give it a real chance, it will definately improve your skill. It also helps with bike control, though in the end that is a result of how much time you spend riding.
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PostPosted: 06:37 - 20 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to add, its not for everyone. A couple of friends have not enjoyed it for whatever reason. You also need to attend, hey Alli?
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 20 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did the IAM test in the car a number of years ago and I haven't maintained my membership. The insurance savings didn't materialise for me as it was only with selected insurers and they seemed to be the ones who didn't want to insure someone young and without a great deal of no claims (as I was at the time). So it wasn't for me and I shan't be bothering on the bike.
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 20 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You would be foolish to join just for the insurance savings. On a bike its more of a case that it may lend you the skills to avoid accidents.

This is far more valuable - even if its not your fault, par say, injuries and costs are rarely ever fully compensated (I know this sadly).

Thats not to say you cannot crash, just that you have the skills and training to spot situations earlier and (hopefully) avoid them.

Insurance is cheapest if you spend a long time ringing around. IAM will not cure the ridiculous price of premiums.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 20 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

natv4 wrote:
You would be foolish to join just for the insurance savings. On a bike its more of a case that it may lend you the skills to avoid accidents.

This is far more valuable - even if its not your fault, par say, injuries and costs are rarely ever fully compensated (I know this sadly).

Thats not to say you cannot crash, just that you have the skills and training to spot situations earlier and (hopefully) avoid them.

Insurance is cheapest if you spend a long time ringing around. IAM will not cure the ridiculous price of premiums.


I am not questioning the benefit of doing the training in the first place, and my reasons for doing it were not for insurance savings.

But the question was about continuing the ongoing membership. I consider the insurance benefits to be a key part of the ongoing benefits of remaining a member, and did not consider that they were worth it for me.
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 20 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

IAM member plus the Nurburgring =

https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a50/micklivesey/misc/DCP_2758.jpg

Oh how I chuckled, and he wasnt the only one. Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 20 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

gemma1675 wrote:
I am not questioning the benefit of doing the training in the first place, and my reasons for doing it were not for insurance savings.

But the question was about continuing the ongoing membership. I consider the insurance benefits to be a key part of the ongoing benefits of remaining a member, and did not consider that they were worth it for me.
Sorry, may I add that I was not actually referring that directly at you. You did not give me the impression that you did it just for that. Your point was quite clear. It was more because another person I have chatted with about this recently was complaining of this before joining. Just a point I wished to make.

It does depend on the group you join. I have heard that other groups don't really have much of a social side. I am lucky and my group does. They are also like-minded (read that as travel at an appropriate speed for the conditions, not necessarily the speed limit), so it is really to keep in touch with 20odd bikers whom share a passion and actually go out regularly (3-4 times per month).

For that I can forgive the membership fee. If your group was like another one I heard about then I fully understand. No one wants to spend time with no-it-all's whom can't shut up about their superiority.
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 20 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:
IAM member plus the Nurburgring =

https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a50/micklivesey/misc/DCP_2758.jpg

Oh how I chuckled, and he wasnt the only one. Laughing
If he spent the whole time before hand claiming to be the worlds best rider and putting other people down, I'd agree with you.

If he simply went out to enjoy himself, and pushed it a bit far, then I would say hard luck, we're all only human.

In the words of many great racers: "If you don't crash, you're not trying hard enough."

Advanced riding does not mean invincible, uncrashable, etc. It simply means educated in how to ride to the best of your ability. You still have the choice of trying to exceed that, which is fun (and sometimes costly) in the right place.
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 20 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:
IAM member plus the Nurburgring =

Oh how I chuckled, and he wasnt the only one. Laughing


IAM isn't about riding quick on track, it's about riding safer on roads. Planning ahead, spotting hazards and dealing with them in a way that is hopefully least likely to leave you embedded in a Volvo/tree/wall.

IAM riding is a very distinct style, and it's not for everyone. I do think that most people would benefit from at least doing a couple of observed rides and thinking if some aspects of the system might improve their riding.

That said, a lot of the people who are involved with the IAM really don't help it's image, and can be very condescending and smug, and I'd laugh if I saw them sling their bike down the road too.
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 20 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

FreshAL wrote:
IAM isn't about riding quick on track, it's about riding safer on roads. Planning ahead, spotting hazards and dealing with them in a way that is hopefully least likely to leave you embedded in a Volvo/tree/wall.


Well it didnt stop him failing to spot the aproaching corner and adjust is road speed and position accordingly. Wink
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 20 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it floats your boat then fair enough. I personally have always seen it as having some normal people but also having the same sort of extremists as the TA, and they can't wait to tell you about it when you meet them.

If you can pass your test and then do it straight away with little experience does it still make you a supreme rider?

I remember when I'd just started bikng and a guy was giving a lecture at the bikesafe event when he managed to throw in 'IM an advanced rider and I can turn my HEYABUSA in the road without putting a foot down'. Nearly stood up and gave the miserable old bastard a round of applause! Rolling Eyes

feeling a bit cynical tonight sorry! If you you have passed the assesment and you dont get an insurance discount then who cares about membership? When you pass your gold swimming badge you dont have to pay them every year to be as good a swimmer, so theres no point!
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 21 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Villers wrote:
If you you have passed the assesment and you dont get an insurance discount then who cares about membership? When you pass your gold swimming badge you dont have to pay them every year to be as good a swimmer, so theres no point!
I don't think you are looking at it for what it is.

If you join any club, hockey/football/tae-kwon-do, you have to pay a membership fee. This is to cover hire of facilities and other costs associated with running the club. My old hockey club subs were £120 per year on top of match fees. IAM through one of the many UK clubs is exactly the same. You are paying to keep your club running. The test is a very small part of the club. Passing it and maintaining membership is simply so you can join in the activities of the group. Exactly the same as you would any other club.

I absolutely agree that it is not for everyone, there certainly are groups which I would not join. Its just a club at the end of the day, I think a lot of people see it as something else.
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 21 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:
Well it didnt stop him failing to spot the aproaching corner and adjust is road speed and position accordingly. Wink
Road and track skills are quite seperate. It sounds like he was just pushing himself, I can't see any problem with that.

If you would like people to laugh and point whenever you have a mishap, then it is probably sensible to do the same. If he was this type of person I would have no problems joining in.

I believe even racing heroes fall off occasionally, I don't think that is anything to do with a lack of skill, just how far they push.
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PostPosted: 09:54 - 21 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

FreshAL wrote:

IAM isn't about riding quick on track, it's about riding safer on roads. Planning ahead, spotting hazards and dealing with them in a way that is hopefully least likely to leave you embedded in a Volvo/tree/wall.

That said, a lot of the people who are involved with the IAM really don't help it's image, and can be very condescending and smug, and I'd laugh if I saw them sling their bike down the road too.

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Road and track skills are quite seperate. It sounds like he was just pushing himself, I can't see any problem with that.

Somewhere like the Nurburgring, a lot of the 'road' observation skills should be coming into play.
A lot of the 'advanced' riding people I have talked to have been quite preachy about how safe (not crashing) they are and often about how these skills will transfer to the track.
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 21 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Somewhere like the Nurburgring, a lot of the 'road' observation skills should be coming into play.
A lot of the 'advanced' riding people I have talked to have been quite preachy about how safe (not crashing) they are and often about how these skills will transfer to the track.
Well, I would think that you are talking about one of the preachy people. There are many more who are normal (at least in the group I have seen) but they don't get noticed.

I would agree that there is some transference, but on the whole the skills for the track will be a case of knowing the extremem limits of your vehicle, where as road riding very rarely meets that level and is more focused on hazard awareness and vision.

I guess that a lot of people have misconceptions of these groups and will probably never change them. I have friends whom don't think they need to improve their riding at all.

I still learn everyday and I can't imagine that ever changing. I like to ride with more experienced riders so that I can learn more quickly and not have to worry about anyone less able than myself. If it wasn't LAM (IAM) it would be another motorcycle club.
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 21 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not saying doing an advanced course is a bad idea, just that it doesnt make you a better rider. It gives you training that can make you a better rider.

My brother did his advanced and thought it was a waste of time as it didnt improve his riding / road skills etc.

It may be beneficial for an inexperienced rider.

Incedentaly the ring trip I went on was organised by an IAM club. There where I think 9 of us and I was the only person not to have done any advanced training and to be honest I didnt see 1st hand anyone that had better road skills than I had (infact a few members rode so religiously to the IAM method sometimes it was downright stupid / dangerous).
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 21 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember the IAM is a body of people who set there own standards (all be it based on the police Roadcraft system), and test themselves and potential candidates (observed runs). Just because THEY set a standard doesn't make it right. If you pass THEIR test, all it means is that THEY think you are now an Advanced rider/driver. Regardless of how much cheaper you can get insurance, as long as you are happy within yourself at your level of riding/driving that is what counts. A Sticker/Badge and quaterly magazine a good rider does not make.
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