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PostPosted: 16:56 - 26 Feb 2007    Post subject: Aftermarket Shocks? Reply with quote
Hi, the CBR (1996) rear shock is getting abit dodgy, anyone know any good but cheap aftermarket shocks?

Just looking for middle range 50-100 quid shock, second hand is fine.

I figured you racing types would know as the cbr's raced a hell of a lot.
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 26 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
if you're looking for a not-too-expemnsive shock, then check out Hagon

https://www.hagon-shocks.co.uk/HagApps4.htm

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PostPosted: 19:07 - 26 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
feef wrote:
if you're looking for a not-too-expemnsive shock, then check out Hagon

https://www.hagon-shocks.co.uk/HagApps4.htm

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£255 Neutral

Erm... is there one made out of a slinky and cardboard or something... Neutral

Bloody hell.
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 26 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
How about having your existing shock rebuilt?
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 26 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Joe wrote:
How about having your existing shock rebuilt?


Very good idea, what i might do is buy a cheapo replacement shock off egay and get that rebuilt, or maybe do it myself in my own sweet time.

Any good sites? links? Ideas of price?
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 26 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
bonny_ricardo wrote:

Very good idea, what i might do is buy a cheapo replacement shock off egay and get that rebuilt, or maybe do it myself in my own sweet time.


Rear shocks cannot be rebuilt at home due to the need for specialist equipment for repressurising the nitrogen.

If it has a remote reservoir then it can be rebuilt. If it has a piggyback reservoir then it may not be rebuildable.
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 26 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Joe wrote:
How about having your existing shock rebuilt?


I believe Maxton do rebuilds:

https://www.maxtonsuspension.co.uk/

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PostPosted: 19:40 - 26 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Worth keeping an eye on ebay and maybe looking for people doing 'steelie' racing (steel framed 600s).
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 26 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi

Hagon are about the cheapest decent quality shock available.

Plenty of shocks can be rebuilt, even the ones not designed to be. However it is not a job to be done at home.

All the best

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PostPosted: 20:26 - 26 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
feef wrote:
Joe wrote:
How about having your existing shock rebuilt?


I believe Maxton do rebuilds:

https://www.maxtonsuspension.co.uk/

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Emailed, at worst i look a twonk.

Its just annoying cos i KNOW my shock is spongy, and it affects my cornering confidence. But i dont trust buying random new ones off ebay to be any better then my current one. After all my shock is the same fitted from 1990-96, ie mine is the most current im going to get second hand.

Ok well failing that, how much would it cost to get it all set up properly, ie get the settings tweaked by someone who knows what they're doing? Make the most of what i have? Im going to have a go changing suspension oil and maybe springs... dont know if that would be worth the downtime. But then i recently had the fork seals replaced so id imagine the oil would have been changed too...

... but then again it was colin collins under warranty Thinking
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 27 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
bonny_ricardo wrote:

Its just annoying cos i KNOW my shock is spongy, and it affects my cornering confidence. But i dont trust buying random new ones off ebay to be any better then my current one. After all my shock is the same fitted from 1990-96, ie mine is the most current im going to get second hand.

Ok well failing that, how much would it cost to get it all set up properly, ie get the settings tweaked by someone who knows what they're doing? Make the most of what i have?


https://www.marjay.co.uk/setup.pdf You can do it yourself. Right click save as.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 27 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
MarJay wrote:


https://www.marjay.co.uk/setup.pdf You can do it yourself. Right click save as.


True, but i tried doing that the first time and thats kinda what busted my settings. I'll try and set up the forks i guess. Far as i know ive set up the back hard as possible and its still too spongy for my fat arse.

Can anyone tell me if they do swap oil when changing fork seals, and if its time rather then use that does em? As it was 2 years ago but only 4k at worst.
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 27 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
bonny_ricardo wrote:
True, but i tried doing that the first time and thats kinda what busted my settings. I'll try and set up the forks i guess. Far as i know ive set up the back hard as possible and its still too spongy for my fat arse.

Can anyone tell me if they do swap oil when changing fork seals, and if its time rather then use that does em? As it was 2 years ago but only 4k at worst.


It would be extremely hard *not* to change the oil when changing the seals, as you have to pump all of the old oil out before you can remove the seals. It usually goes all gloopy and would be hard to put back in there.

It does sound to me like you need a new rear shock. If you've followed the instructions in the PDF correctly, then your bike should be set up for your weight. If your bike still handles like poo, then you either need to ignore it, buy a new shock or get yours rebuilt. If a hagon is too expensive, then ebay is a good bet.

The trouble with 150mph sportsbikes is, they can cost a lot to run!


{edit} you do need to have followed all the steps in the guide though, not just ignored bits cos you want the suspension 'harder'. Harder isn't necessarily better... but I'm fairly sure you've done this and actually your shock is knackered! {edit}
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 27 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
MarJay wrote:



{edit} you do need to have followed all the steps in the guide though, not just ignored bits cos you want the suspension 'harder'. Harder isn't necessarily better... but I'm fairly sure you've done this and actually your shock is knackered! {edit}


NB: im not actually back yet; and i just kind of 'fiddled' when i first got it.

i intend to unfiddle it.
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 27 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
bonny_ricardo wrote:

NB: im not actually back yet; and i just kind of 'fiddled' when i first got it.

i intend to unfiddle it.


Part of the guide is to start from standard settings...
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 27 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
MarJay wrote:
bonny_ricardo wrote:

NB: im not actually back yet; and i just kind of 'fiddled' when i first got it.

i intend to unfiddle it.


Part of the guide is to start from standard settings...


Hmm see that was the part that always foxed me. I can roll it all the way undone or something like that, but theres no mention in haynes of standard settings.

Like i say i dont get back until easter, but ill have a proper go at it this time.

My how i love getting the c-spanner out Thumbs Up

There is the small point he does say in the guide, first things first, only bother if everything works...

Neutral

Which is me slightly fooked.
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 27 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rolling it all undone isn't returning it to standard.

Look up the stock settings somewhere, either on the net or there is bound to be something in the Haynes.

Once its back to stock I reckon it'll feel OK.
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 27 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
MarJay wrote:
Rolling it all undone isn't returning it to standard.

Look up the stock settings somewhere, either on the net or there is bound to be something in the Haynes.

Once its back to stock I reckon it'll feel OK.


No i meant i thought most setup guides started from fully unwound on everything. Mine is just fiddled with by ear, hence the problem.

But ive had several people fiddle with the rear and it doesnt seem to make any odds.
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 27 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
bonny_ricardo wrote:


No i meant i thought most setup guides started from fully unwound on everything.



No no no.

This isn't that sort of 'setup guide'. The PB setup guides are lists of how the suspension was set when it felt best /for the test rider/.

This setup guide starts from the baseline of stock settings and adjusts the bike to suit your weight and riding style. Its worth a go, it really is.
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 27 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
£30 to get mine set up by Mick Grant, could have kept going back and tweaking it all day long if I'd needed to.
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 27 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bendy wrote:
£30 to get mine set up by Mick Grant, could have kept going back and tweaking it all day long if I'd needed to.


Was that at a track day or does he have a shop i can visit? Googles playing up but i'll keep looking.

But they thats gone right up my flagpole bendy Thumbs Up Thanks.

Edit: Heard back from maxton...

Quote:
REAR

The standard shock is too short. It only gives the back wheel 90mm of travel. In order to stop the problem of hitting the bump stop the standard shock has a stiff spring fitted and this tends to chew up the tyre and make the bike slide when ridden hard. It is not possible to fit a softer spring or modfiy the damping in this shock, so all we can offer is a replacement shock. Our Maxton shock has a built in ride height adjuster which makes the bike steer quicker. The shock without remote costs £405 plus VAT, but for race use we would suggest our shock with remote which costs £490 plus VAT.


Thats a no then.

EDIT 2 : Just found out Mick Grant doesnt have a shot, he just turns up at track days to spanner about...
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 27 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
It was at a trackday, but that's the best place to do it - you can go out and ride it, give feedback, make changes...

Technically nothing to stop you just showing up and using his services and taking it out on the road to test though, I suppose.
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 27 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bendy wrote:

Technically nothing to stop you just showing up and using his services and taking it out on the road to test though, I suppose.


Oh, that might be a plan. Wonder when the next anglesey track day is...

Are there other people that do this kind of service at trackdays too? Or will i have to try and find one hes visiting.
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 27 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sometimes there are, sometimes there aren't. You'd need to check.
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 27 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bendy wrote:
Sometimes there are, sometimes there aren't. You'd need to check.


Fair nuff, ill have a butchers. Ill try marjays guide when im back anyway, with any luck it will at least sort out the front (Altho its the back driving me nuts).

Thanks for all the help.

If you hear of any trackdays or shops where there will be a suspension (especially in the home counties/north west wales)guru please pm me, karma cookies will be in the post Laughing
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