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PostPosted: 21:45 - 04 Mar 2007    Post subject: Cool anti-flip device Reply with quote

Just been browsing the net for wheelie schools & found this little device, bit diffrent from what i posted some time ago as it says it actually helps you wheelie.

In practical terms this means you can just whack the throttle open and the device will not just control the wheelie but allow the wheel to stay up until you run out of revs! Here's a video in which you can hear the WheelySafe controlling full-throttle wheelies: (Has a video of this)

Pretty cool stuff if starting out, off course it would be better to learn without it but practicing on you're nice & shiny sportsbike holds most people back & i wouldn't mind giving this a try.
I'm guessing when it's released it won't be cheap either.

https://www.wheelysafe.com/introduction.html
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 04 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamie stokes wrote:
i belive there is a thing called a wheely bar Rolling Eyes


You have two eyes, two ears and one mouth. Use them in proportion.
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 04 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamie stokes wrote:
i belive there is a thing called a wheely bar Rolling Eyes


Your intellect defecit is really grating on me troll boy Rolling Eyes

Misc, is there any idea of price for it at all? I'd like to do longer ones, but I fear for my wallet should the bike hit the deck (again).
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 04 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ram, was that an accident by doing a wheely?
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 04 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamie stokes wrote:
i belive there is a thing called a wheely bar Rolling Eyes


Jamie stop talking shit about shit you know nothing about, especially if its advice giving, talking about stuff you know nothing about can lead to people getting hurt or wasting money etc etc... not just this thread but other threads.

Wheelie bars, aka 12 bars DO NOT STOP YOU FLIPPING they are an advanced "tool" to park your bike at 12 and to scrape in a wheely and do various other tricks, hit a 12 bar without being experienced enough and it'll spit you off faster than you can say "oops sorry mate i thought it was an anti flip device" Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 04 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

ram_doom wrote:
jamie stokes wrote:
i belive there is a thing called a wheely bar Rolling Eyes


Your intellect defecit is really grating on me troll boy Rolling Eyes

Misc, is there any idea of price for it at all? I'd like to do longer ones, but I fear for my wallet should the bike hit the deck (again).


Sometimes i manage to clutch the front up a few inches which feels good but then all those youtube videos of people hitting the deck put me off. Shocked
I emailed them asking for the price & more info so will post it up when they reply.
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 04 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

may as well tape the throttle on full and sit there smoking a fag, because you wont actually be doing anything.
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 04 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

p.s Misc I wouldn't trust that "device" as far as I could throw it. It's an accident waiting to happen Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 04 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

But what if it malfunctions Shocked
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 04 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sparks! wrote:
p.s Misc I wouldn't trust that "device" as far as I could throw it. It's an accident waiting to happen Thumbs Down


From the vid it does look a bit edgy & the sound. Shocked
I do think it's an intresting idea tho, if it was tested 100% for safety & all that i wouldn't mind giving it a go.
Not only that but it's connected to the battery so anything could happen to the fuses i suppose.
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 04 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Misc wrote:
From the vid it does look a bit edgy & the sound. Shocked
I do think it's an intresting idea tho, if it was tested 100% for safety & all that i wouldn't mind giving it a go.
Not only that but it's connected to the battery so anything could happen to the fuses i suppose.


Wheelying isn't "safe" if it was, everyone would do it and it wouldn't be cool anymore Cool Wink
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 04 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

CoronaBoner wrote:
Ram, was that an accident by doing a wheely?


No Embarassed but any damage done to it (and I'm assuming flipping it over would cause a hell of a lot), costs a hell of a lot of money to put right Confused

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PostPosted: 22:17 - 04 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

ram_doom wrote:
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Ram, was that an accident by doing a wheely?


No Embarassed but any damage done to it (and I'm assuming flipping it over would cause a hell of a lot), costs a hell of a lot of money to put right Confused

Anything that can help prevent me cocking up is great Mr. Green


That's what puts me off learning them Crying or Very sad

Also landing the front wheel squiffy aint too nice Embarassed
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 04 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

they use similar devices at wheelie schools mate

little carbon fibre stick that protrudes from your numberplate, when your bike reachs the set height the stick hits the floor and it kills your engine by activating your sidestand switch
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PostPosted: 22:24 - 04 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

CoronaBoner wrote:


Also landing the front wheel squiffy aint too nice Embarassed


Should be easy and very smooth just to pop them up using the V twin grunt for you Smile

Just keep bars straight and throttle off gently (or use the brake) to bring it down neatly?
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 04 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

ram_doom wrote:
CoronaBoner wrote:


Also landing the front wheel squiffy aint too nice Embarassed


Should be easy and very smooth just to pop them up using the V twin grunt for you Smile

Just keep bars straight and throttle off gently (or use the brake) to bring it down neatly?


I won't evem talk about it, I'll let mark83 say how useful my rear brake is Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 04 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is just a tilt switch that cuts your bike at a certain angle. I guess it will stall you on the "Pass of the Goats" or Hardknot.
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 04 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't mention how it detects the angle.
Seems it's more of a prototype than a product.
Be interesting to know how it works.

I wouldn't entirely trust it to cope with someone being completely cack-handed.

The suggestion that learning to wheelie is particularly dangerous seems to be similar to the perception by non-bikers that biking is particularly dangerous.
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PostPosted: 23:31 - 04 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
It doesn't mention how it detects the angle.
Seems it's more of a prototype than a product.
Be interesting to know how it works.

I wouldn't entirely trust it to cope with someone being completely cack-handed.

The suggestion that learning to wheelie is particularly dangerous seems to be similar to the perception by non-bikers that biking is particularly dangerous.


I think you can manually set which angle it works at.

A small display unit is affixed to the handlebars. This unit is not required for normal operation, but gives visual feedback to the rider of the attitude of the motorcycle and the currently set maximum allowable angle.
When first installed, the invention must be calibrated so that it knows what is considered to be a level attitude.
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 04 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I read that - I meant how the wizardry-electronic-gubbins work to detect the angle.
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 04 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something about a Gyro sensor,

The invention comprises a rate gyro sensor (which senses the rate of change of rotation) to calculate, in real time, the current attitude of the motorcycle. Using the rate gyro, only relative angles can be sensed, so an accelerometer is also used to provide a known reference attitude.

Determining whether the motorcycle has reached a critical angle is a simple matter of comparing the calculated angle with a preset value. However, since the comparison and setting of the preset value are microprocessor controlled, the preset value may be easily adjusted at any time by any simple means - a push button, for instance, or rotation of a control knob.

If the calculated angle approaches the preset angle, the motorcycle rotation is retarded by effectively switching off the ignition. This not only removes the acceleration which lifts the front wheel but also applies a braking effect. For simplicity of installation, the switching of the ignition is achieved by connecting the invention to the ignition kill switch, side stand cutout, or similar.
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 04 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oops, ta; didn't look closely enough obviously.
I've wondered about such things in the past and a gyro is the obvious solution, but don't have the knowledge to bodge soemthing like that myself (though, thinking about it, wonder if you could one from an aeroplane Smile ).
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PostPosted: 00:00 - 05 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure if its been mentioned but how do they actually work? are they a mecury switch connected to the coils to stop it sparking? or does it act like a restrictor, just stopping it at a certain RPM?

id like to try one, but the issue still stands on landing it correctly, generally if you can land them correctly your not too bad at them in the first place.

the tilt switch could well be more risky, as it may give you a certain "invincibility" or so it may seem.
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PostPosted: 00:06 - 05 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sparks! wrote:

Jamie stop talking shit about shit you know nothing about, especially if its advice giving, talking about stuff you know nothing about can lead to people getting hurt or wasting money etc etc... not just this thread but other threads.

Wheelie bars, aka 12 bars DO NOT STOP YOU FLIPPING they are an advanced "tool" to park your bike at 12 and to scrape in a wheely and do various other tricks, hit a 12 bar without being experienced enough and it'll spit you off faster than you can say "oops sorry mate i thought it was an anti flip device" Rolling Eyes


Sparks, leave the kid alone.

I've seen a couple of wheelie schools with wheelie bars that are about two metres long and angled to touch down just after the balance point. That would be a wheelie bar. Jamie did not say "12 o'clock bar" because that is something else.

So leave the kid alone and stop jumping on everything he says.

In relation to the thread, I've seen numerous anti flip devices. I've seen the aforementioned trellis wheelie bar:

https://www.thewheelieschool.co.uk/images/bike1.jpg

Tell me that is a 12 o'clock bar sparks!, because it isn't... its a wheelie bar.

I've seen the anti flip device with the huge long metal rod sticking out which cuts the ignition:

https://www.markhodson.com/WHEELIE/0604.jpg

And this Gyro thingy. Seeing as there are other more reliable non gyro ways of doing it, I can't see it ever taking off.

And for me, I'd not have any of them on my bike, because I don't think the chance of flipping a wheelie is that great anyway. Why get a machine to teach you when people seem to have been learning well enough for years without?
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