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PostPosted: 09:42 - 08 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw that last night. She says that when she was being arrested she was having an epiletic fit and not resisting arrest. Rolling Eyes But of course the nanny state requires a full investigation to see if this was a rascist and heavy handed arrest. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 08 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing wrong with the actions there, women need punching to sometimes! Very Happy Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 08 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tape shows nothing.

We dont know what happened.

I would've done the same.
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 08 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

WTF is it with black people and the race card? They still think they are under oppression. It is so sad. It is blatantly obvious the Policeman was trying to subdue her. Did not look like an "assault" at all. If it was the Police Officer's arms would have been flailing a lot more, not worried about the destination of the punch.

Why shouldn't the Police be able to use brute force where needed? She was in the wrong in the first place.

The race card, well just gets me really angry.
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 08 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
Why shouldn't the Police be able to use brute force where needed? She was in the wrong in the first place.


Init? if she hadn't been shot by the car owner she'd had have been shot by the police if this was in the US.

the Epileptic fit excuse is pure BS! Rolling Eyes obviously the £££ signs of possible compesation are flashing in her eyes
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 08 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Chief Superintendent Ali Dizaei, of the National Black Police Association, also called for an investigation by the IPCC, saying it was a concern that race may have been an issue.

Shami Chakrabarti, director of human rights group Liberty, also demanded an urgent investigation into the officer's actions.

"These images turn the stomach," she said.

South Yorkshire Police said: "The force is outraged at the nature of the report itself, and the possible suggestion that this may be linked to any kind of racist incident. "

.......race isnt the issue. the issue is the silly tart kicking the cop in the bollocks and damaging other peoples property. If he had taken 3 full on punches at a femle in handcuffs theres going to be a fair bit of damage.
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 08 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've actually taken the time to watch the video on the bbc and the Guardian sites.

I also saw it on the news this morning sat next to someone who's had home office approved restraint training. Her comment was that the punching was OTT and should not have been necessary. This is given that there were 2 other people also restraining her and another stood close by.

On whether or not she was having an epileptic fit I can't comment as video isn't clear either way. If she was then (i) the action of the police officer endangered her life and (ii) he either hasn't been trained to recognise a fit or he's saying she wasn't because then he can argue he acted correctly.

What I found worrying was that South Yorkshire police have issued a statement saying they found the handling of this incident acceptable. So they allow their officers to not follow the approved guidelines and do as they wish Confused Then what else are they getting away with?

I'm consistent in my thoughts. As I've written in the past, the police, like caesar's wife, should be above suspicion. Anything less is not good enough and tarring those police who do the job correctly with the same stigma and distrust. So in the long run making everyone's job harder.

On any black/white/colour issue I couldn't give a toss. I find it sad some people will use this for their own agenda. I couldn't care less if the victim was male/female or blue with purple spots.
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 08 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Search Delbo King online and you see a black man cuffed to the ground being kicked , a passer by who remarks on the dissapproval you see is chased away by a cop.

this video is commonly availible online , google search it.

no charges against cops,

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I'm consistent in my thoughts. As I've written in the past, the police, like caesar's wife, should be above suspicion. Anything less is not good enough and tarring those police who do the job correctly with the same stigma and distrust. So in the long run making everyone's job harder.


the obvious solution is this:

to give cop cameras to all cops like they trialed in Plymouth , if the video evidence goes missing INSTANT GUILT and instant charge of perverting the course of justice, to the cop , since such 'incident's occur with multiple cops , ie Delbo was 'restrained' by 5 cops , 1/5 HDD video recorders going wrong is a possibility 5 at the same time = guilt.

no video footage = illegal arrest,

With HDDs you can record ALL beat duty time , so that we do not get a situation of abuse of power, sort of like the speeding cop who was let off

or the one who went to pick up his takeaway got snapped by a camera and was let off.

the police are certainly OK about observing us why not have some reciperical surveillance,

possibly the last time I remember a cop getting charged with anything was in Bolton ages ago where he picked up a hooker , 'used her' and refused to pay.
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 08 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bit stupid mentioning the incident in America, race hate and roits.

Again, like the cannabis inplanted in murder inquiry, it's not the direct cause of the problems, its the way in which its put across.

This white cop hit a black epileptic five times, that's what i heard, that's what's in the report.

If that woman had hit my 4x4 or something, she'd get a smack.
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 08 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read this story on BBC website this morning.

I didn't even realise she was 'black' till I came onto this thread!!! Confused

She's black? WTF? My skin is darker than that after a bit of summer sun!!

What a load of utter bollocks over nothing. Stupid bitch deserved a dead arm, and now she dares play the 'race' card as well as the 'disabled' card?!

Saddest thing is how much the media love whipping this kind of stuff into a higher profile than it deserves. Thumbs Down losers

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PostPosted: 15:15 - 08 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
WTF is it with black people and the race card? They still think they are under oppression. It is so sad. It is blatantly obvious the Policeman was trying to subdue her. Did not look like an "assault" at all. If it was the Police Officer's arms would have been flailing a lot more, not worried about the destination of the punch.

Why shouldn't the Police be able to use brute force where needed? She was in the wrong in the first place.

The race card, well just gets me really angry.


You need to calm down mate. Im black and I believe its perfectly reasonable what the police done. I mean if someone smashed my car, well...... Twisted Evil
As for being oppressed I wouldnt go that far, but you be me for a day and youd soon see that some of reasons why we moan become glaringly come apparent.
But ye I agree that in this situation playing the race card is a load of wank.
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 08 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:

I also saw it on the news this morning sat next to someone who's had home office approved restraint training. Her comment was that the punching was OTT and should not have been necessary. This is given that there were 2 other people also restraining her and another stood close by.


I've been qualified in HO C&R for over 6 years now, and had my refresher course last week. If someone is biting or assaulting you, it means they are not under controlling locks, and you are entitled to use whatever force you deem necessary and justifiable to defend yourself.

Before anyone yacks on about the police having to expect assault as part of their job, such arguments are a load of cobbler's, and should be treated with the contempt they deserve. No-one should have to go to work expecting to get hurt or bitten, especially with the epidemic of blood-borne disease in the country today.

Using punches (they look more like chopping blows than the uppercuts suggested by the media hype) to free up the arm for cuffing is where I would be a little more wary. That said, having a drunk person lying on the floor face down puts them at risk of positional asphyxia, and thus it is imperative to get them cuffed (or in final locks) and stood up as soon as is practical.

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On whether or not she was having an epileptic fit I can't comment as video isn't clear either way. If she was then (i) the action of the police officer endangered her life and (ii) he either hasn't been trained to recognise a fit or he's saying she wasn't because then he can argue he acted correctly.


She certainly isn't having a fit when she is standing on the stairs, because she is perfectly stable until she pulls away from the officer and they end up in a heap.

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What I found worrying was that South Yorkshire police have issued a statement saying they found the handling of this incident acceptable. So they allow their officers to not follow the approved guidelines and do as they wish Confused Then what else are they getting away with?


They did follow the guidelines.

A crucial factor in our C&R training is a classroom session explaining issues such as the general public not understanding the working environment that law enforcement officials are exposed to, and seeking to impose unrealistic standards on officers putting their health at risk every shift.

I've had at least 5 colleagues receive bites from detainees known or believed to have HIV/Hep./both, and spend months on anti-virals that in one case caused almost as much damage to his body as any disease might.

As a result, if you look like you are about to sink your pearly whites into me, I will do anything to stop you in your tracks.

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"If anybody in any other situation, another male had been hitting a woman or a female, there's no way that would be acceptable."


Oh, discrimination on the grounds of gender! Tut-tut! That's illegal!

Out of curiousity, why has this only been brought up now, when it happened last July?
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 08 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I think she's an opportunist chav who used to be a boy.

She's pushing it as far as she can. The cops are fools though to not realise they were in an area where there were CCTV cameras in spite of the police notices around the area.

Epileptic fit? My arse.
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 08 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently she was pissed and doesn't actually recall the incident at all, has no memory of it.
The police officer has stated that she was trying to grab him by the bollocks, that's why he used force to make her release her grip.
I see nothing wrong in the video, quite acceptable in my view in this instance.
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 08 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a very clear lesson here for everyone to learn:

If you're epileptic, it's probably not a good idea to get off your face and then go clubbing. What with all them flashing lights and all... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 09 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

First and foremost- fit my arse!!

I can't believe this is getting the media attention that it is! The stupid bitch broke the law, resisted arrest, tried assaulting an officer, who then used reasonable force to subdue her, and now she has the audacity to pursue a legal case against him??

And as for that cock claiming the race card- jeeeezus wept! Why on earth he has to bring up the abolition of slavery is beyond me- it just exacerbates the situation, and he should have known better.

I really hope this gets thrown out of court on the first day.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 09 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

She is also claiming that the police officer punched her in the face and body - "red zones" I believe - whilst you can't tell where she is being hit from the footage, it is clearly in the same place each time.

Also, if it was her face and chest that was hit why is there no record of her injuries?

She just wants a new pair of creole earrings from the compensation.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 09 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could call me prejudiced but I took one look at the stroppy cows face and knew exactly what the deal was.

She looks like the kind of snarling cow that gets kicked out of nasty clubs every friday night, the kind of person that isn't ashamed to have thier face all over the paper with details of thier behaviour.

She will milk it for all the low level celebrity she can get on her estate and any compensation payment she can get her filthy hands on.

The police have an impossible job in that situation. If she was grabbing at the blokes nuts as was alleged then he should have knocked her out cold and asked questions later.
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 13 Mar 2007    Post subject: Re: Police violence Reply with quote

UrbanRacer wrote:
She damaged someones property (their car), ran away from the police when approched and when she resisted arrest the cop gave her a few forearm smashes to get her under control.
anyone see a problem here?

No. Fuckers should have the shit beaten out of them until they comply.
The fact that we give people so many allowances is the reason we live in a chavvy shithole.
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 13 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shes not having a seizure by the looks of the footage. When a person seizures they tend to spasm not flail around. Shes obviously out to make a few quid. guarentee she also drives which you cant do if your a regular epeleptic.
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 13 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is it that when a white doe ANYTHING towards a black its racist, but a black can do what they want, rape, kill, stone, rob, etc to a white and it is never reported as racist at all. In fact it is usually the whites fault because 200 years ago we were better at the slave trade than the blacks who started it in the first place. I'm just so fed up with the race card, I don't care what colour you are or your background, Illegal is illegal and if you are doing it it is your fault no one elses. It is about time the victim is heard and not the offender.
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 13 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stories like that really annoy me. Some officer who slapped a drunk tart around when she was trying to castrate him has to go through an inquiry because she's a black(ish) woman. If that had been a guy, there wouldn't be a story. People would say 'Oh, he's drunk, he's damaging a car, he deserves all he gets.' But because it's a minority it's suddenly a story. I hope she takes it as far as she can and gets slapped with a whole load of court costs, stupid slapper.
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 13 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interestingly, the black 'race activist' who is orchestrating this complaint in the media, has just lost his appeal against being convicted of racially-motivated harassment of two white traffic wardens.

https://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/ukfs_news/hi/newsid_6440000/newsid_6443800/6443851.stm

No agenda there then.......
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 14 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't see where the punch landed, so he could have just been punching her arm in order to get the cuffs on.
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