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Tom_N
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Chinese mini dirt bike bursts into flames Reply with quote
Myself and my mate(rik 220) dug my old chinese mini dirt bike out of the shed. It took ages to start but evetually we got it going. We where taking turns to ride it up the lane. It was my turn and i was taking off when i noticed a smell of petrol, i went down the lane anyway but when i went to turn around it started to smoke badly. i got off the bike and noticed the fuel line had split and the petrol was pissing over the hot engine. There must of been a spark or something from the bike because it burst into flames. It took us ages to get the fire out because the bike was far from my house and any running water. The pics show the bike on fire and the damaged caused by the fire when we put it out. Just thought id warn everyone that these bikes are dangerous and can present a serious threat to young children or even adults.
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Quality!
It would have been even more entertaining if the bike had burst into flames while you were getting air, though.
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Today's headlines:

Cheap crap chinese bikes in cheap crap quality shocker.

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PostPosted: 16:48 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sounds like the fuel hose had perished, this could happen to any bike left to stand for a while. I'm glad you weren't hurt, it could've been a lot worse.
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Re: Chinese mini dirt bike bursts into flames Reply with quote
Speed_Freak1711 wrote:
Just thought id warn everyone that these bikes are dangerous and can present a serious threat to young children or even adults.



Couldn't this happen to any bike though?

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PostPosted: 16:50 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yea it could, but i thought i would post it anyway to show people what happened to mine.
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
LeeR wrote:
Sounds like the fuel hose had perished, this could happen to any bike left to stand for a while. I'm glad you weren't hurt, it could've been a lot worse.


yeah but most dont perish as quickly as the ones on cheap component chinese bikes
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Re: Chinese mini dirt bike bursts into flames Reply with quote
Speed_Freak1711 wrote:
Myself and my mate(rik 220) dug my old chinese mini dirt bike out of the shed. It took ages to start but evetually we got it going. We where taking turns to ride it up the lane. It was my turn and i was taking off when i noticed a smell of petrol, i went down the lane anyway but when i went to turn around it started to smoke badly. i got off the bike and noticed the fuel line had split and the petrol was pissing over the hot engine. There must of been a spark or something from the bike because it burst into flames. It took us ages to get the fire out because the bike was far from my house and any running water. The pics show the bike on fire and the damaged caused by the fire when we put it out. Just thought id warn everyone that these bikes are dangerous and can present a serious threat to young children or even adults.
Cheers
Tam

LMFAO

hot exhaust + Petrol = fire

doesn't need a spark Laughing

was it a "quick quick! what do we do???"

" I know i'll get the digi camera out"

Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Something like that, its only a cheap cinese bike so i wasnt really worried about the fire, thought it would be good to take pics.

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PostPosted: 17:40 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Re: Chinese mini dirt bike bursts into flames Reply with quote
lllN30lll wrote:

hot exhaust + Petrol = fire
doesn't need a spark Laughing


Don't mean to be a pedant but I am not sure this is true...I will check Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
i think it'll live to ride another day with a wee bit of work and some decent fuel lines Very Happy
plus it'll have a bit more character now Very Happy
glad you are ok... and you got some pics, good work Very Happy
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Re: Chinese mini dirt bike bursts into flames Reply with quote
Vin wrote:
lllN30lll wrote:

hot exhaust + Petrol = fire
doesn't need a spark Laughing


Don't mean to be a pedant but I am not sure this is true...I will check Thumbs Up


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https://www.aristatek.com/newsletter/0606June/TechSpeak.aspx
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If gasoline (petrol) spills on a hot surface such as an automobile exhaust system, will it ignite?

Answer. Probably not, as the auto ignition temperature of gasoline (from the PEAC tool) is 853oF (456oC). Exhaust systems are not that hot. As pointed out in the definitions, there are a number of variables that affect the auto ignition temperature so any hot surfaces that even near the auto ignition temperature of a fuel have the potential to ignite the fuel. Of course, a spark can ignite
the fuel.


Does the same situation hold for diesel fuel?

Answer: Not quite; the flash point, auto ignition temperature, vapor pressures, lower and upper explosive limits are different. The flash point for diesel fuel is between 70oF and 140oF depending upon the formulation [typically 120oF or 49oC], which makes diesel fuel difficult to ignite if a bullet is fired into a diesel fuel tanker. The auto ignition temperature of diesel fuel is considerable less than gasoline (one reference lists 351oF or 177oC) making it somewhat easier to ignite when contacted with a very hot surface. The vapor pressure of diesel fuel is much less than gasoline; under normal temperatures, the vapor pressure in a tanker truck should result in a vapor concentration less than the lower explosive limit. Upper and lower explosive limits are different for different formulations [e.g. LEL: 0.4 to 6%; UEL: 8% to 13.5%].
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Re: Chinese mini dirt bike bursts into flames Reply with quote
Vin wrote:
lllN30lll wrote:

hot exhaust + Petrol = fire
doesn't need a spark Laughing


Don't mean to be a pedant but I am not sure this is true...I will check Thumbs Up


Proved this incorrect to some extent on Mythbusters Wink
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Re: Chinese mini dirt bike bursts into flames Reply with quote
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Proved this incorrect to some extent on Mythbusters



/off topic/ Mythbusters - quality programme!!/off topic/

Quality pics, but could have been nasty!
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Should have had the video cam running as £250 from U Been Framed would have helped towards the repair bill...

Just goes to show how important checking simple stuff like fuel line is important.
Min thing is no one got hurt.
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
could happen to any bike if it's left in a shed for however long, and just started n ridden without a check over...

numpy award goes to you guys Wink
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
have you been watching Ghostrider ?
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
I know, We really should of checked it before we took it out but I wasn't really thinking at the time. I had no idea something like this would happen and happen so fast. You can see from the pictures the ground is wet, when we threw water on the bike the flames got higher Shocked Then we threw a wet rag over it and that smothered the flames to a certain extent. I was expecting it to explode but it didn't the flames just gradually died down.
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Just get some T-cut and put it on Ebay, no-one will ever know...
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
using water to put out a burning liquid fire isn't going to help either.. just splashes the fuel about.. you need foam or powder for that

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PostPosted: 21:02 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Speed_Freak1711 wrote:
when we threw water on the bike the flames got higher Shocked


Whoops, throw water over a high heat fuel fire and is it does is vaporise into oxygen and fuel the fire even more....

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Then we threw a wet rag over it and that smothered the flames to a certain extent. I was expecting it to explode but it didn't the flames just gradually died down.


Now that is the way to do it. Smile
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I suppose it seems a bit stupid now that i threw water on it, but at the time I wasn't really thinking logically, it was quite exciting with all the flames and trying to put it out. Damn adrenaline.
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Fuel can ignite on a hot exhaust. I know of a couple of occasions it has happened. Typical exhaust temps are around 850-900 degrees celsius which is almost twice what is necessary to auto-ignite fuel.
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 23 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
iooi wrote:
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Whoops, throw water over a high heat fuel fire and is it does is vaporise into oxygen and fuel the fire even more....


no, it boils, and so expands rapidly turning into steam, and the blast of this may cause flames to flare up as fuel is disturbed

as with the classic example of water onto a chip fan fire.

If the water is in short blasts of a fine spray and is directed at the hot flame rather than the base of the fire, it can cool the fire to reduce flames. Its only if water then hits the floor and blasts the fuel as it boils that you have problems. Liquids have to vapourise before they can burn, so if you reduce the heat of the flame, you reduce the amount of fuel being vapourised, thereby reducing the fire.

but sand is better
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 23 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
You have got a puncture mate Sad
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