Failed

[Andy levitt]

I failed my motorcycle theroy test today everyone says its easy to pass aswell, i feel prober down for failing it have to pay anther £21.50 out. I got 32/35 for questions and 40/70 for hazards so i failed by 4
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Speedfight 50 -> Honda NSR 125 -> Y reg YAMAHA YZF R6 -> 08 YAMAHA YZF R6 -> Honda CBR1000RR
Theory test Done 4/6/07
Practical test Done 21/12/07

[Andy C]

I failed first time, and then rode my RS125 up the A23 (was ragging it) and then engine seized and ended up in the middle of the A23 (duel carriage way) with a bike with a seized engine.

Trust me, it could have been work ^^

Its fair simple but harzard stuff takes a but of practise i found
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[pwntifex]

If you can't pass the hazard perception then I don't think you should be on the road, to be honest. It's all really easy...

Still, bad luck, what. Better luck next time
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the warped one: This is a follow up from the thread 'my willy hurts'

[Molly]

Hi Andy, don't be so hard on yourself.

It has a lot to do how you perform on the day. A friend of mine failed three times so I sat with her to find out what she was doing wrong. She was spotting the hazards but pressing the button too early. She passed her next one easily. She then passed her DAS first time and now ride a SV650.

Good luck next time.
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[Ariel Badger]

The HP is a farce and bears as much resemblance to riding a bike on the road as a soapy tit wank bears to kissing your Gran. All it shows is that you push a button at the time decreed by a spotty faced computer nerd.
The DVLA lost my details in the mid 80s so I just rode on my Zimbabwean licence for 22 years, all was well until I got a pull two years ago. The police said that just because Comrade President Robert Mugabwe thinks I can ride a motorcycle does not mean that Mrs Queen agrees with the old despot and they made me take yet another test.
I found the HP so insultingly easy that I sat back and just watched the last clip and did not bother to click at all.

I just scrapped home!

It seems that because of my years of riding I was over anticipating and clicking early thus missing Master Nerd’s window.
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[LUXY DJ]

HP is easy but best way is to keep kinda clicking but not OTT cause it'll know & fail ya, do the clicks quite spaced out but constant & OF COURSE when you actually DO see a hazard

unlucky
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[LeeR]

I agree the HPT is shite...hated every minute of it, I clicked "inappropriately" on the double score clip, but still managed to get 64/75 but this was after hours, and hours, and hours of practice! Because as Ariel said it's all about clicking when the program thinks you should, and not when you think a hazard has: appeared/developed, so subjective as to be pointless.

Andy, all the best for next time, have you tried a practice disc?
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[pwntifex]

I agree that the HP test is very poorly implemented, but come on: if you can't spot a hazard on a computer screen six inches from your face, what chance do you have when doing 30/40/50/60/70/80/250 down the road?
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the warped one: This is a follow up from the thread 'my willy hurts'

[Ork12]

Don't worry bout it tbh, I failed my first hazard perception test (35/35 on questions though) tis shite tbh and has no real world purpose imho.
Alex

[LeeR]

I agree that there should be something and as it's all we've got I suppose we've got to make do. But where a lot of drivers taking a bike theory fall short is that because of years of experience on the road they tend to click too early. (Well that's my defence and I'm sticking to it.) Personally I found it an absolute pig to get the clicks just right, and that's all the test boils down to clicking within the 5secs NOT before, took me hours to get it spot on. Didn't teach me 'owt about hazard perception though.
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[Skudd]

It is more technique with a bit of skill. But if you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail. Some of my students just turn up and have a go. some scrape past most don't. The ones that prepare and practice do a lot better. Like Molly said, you could be seeing the hazard but clicking at the wrong time. so have a bit of a practice first.
Oh I only got 72 out of 75 for the hazard and 96 out of 100 for the ADI theory test.
Please note though that from the 3rd September there will be 50 questions and not 35 as it is now for the theory.
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[st3v3]

I disagree, Yes, it could be done better(the program and it's implementing) but it's not about guessing when a master nerd puts the 'clicking window' in the program, it's about having the ability to tell the difference between a hazard or near-miss. Imo if you can' spot a situation developing on a PC screen in front of you, what chance have you got in the real world, where it happens in an instant, and you don't see it coming.
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[colin1]

i agree with luxy, as hazard develops, click at a rate of about one a second
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[st3v3]

but that's missing the point of the theory and if you have to effectively cheat in passing, you(not aimed at anyone in particular) obviously can't detect a hazard sufficient enough to be on the road. My
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[colin1]

its not cheating, as you still have to spot the hazard in the first place

the instructions actually tell you to press again as the situation worsens

the idea being that there are recognisable moments when the potential hazard gets to be more of a concern

they also say you will be penalised if you click too much, so you have to strike a balance which is nothing to do with hazard perception, and all about the allowed click rate of the test
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[Matt06]

Even though I can see where they were going with the HP, it becomes more of a test on how to use the software and not actual HP skills when riding. I could understand how someone could fail if they werent exactly sure what the program is asking for you to do and they could have prefect HP skills in practice.
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[LUXY DJ]

yea steve,stop trying to be such a goody too shoes & trying to get good ratings/karma! trying to impress the safety nazi's

if theres ways to do it easier then do it,aint are fault, its designers fault!

the real test is being on the road for real on own! thats where you learn more then any computer/instructor,etc can teach ya!

experience!

i passed theory & practical 1st time but iv learnt ALOT more being on the roads properly & on own

av u even got full licence?
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[BanditBitch]

[Ariel Badger]

[pa_broon74]

My main complaint about the Hazard thing would be that its quite vague about when you've to click and what constitutes a hazard. For example, as in the last of the tests, there are alot of cars parked up at the side of the road forcing you (or the gimp in the video anyway) further towards the centre line.

That to me is a hazard. Also, it doesn't make it clear that you click "when" you see the hazard developing and again when you have to take evasive action.

It kinda leads you to believe (with the touch screen thing) that you have to click where it is too. I'd have thought that was a better test. They could've just had a big red button, would've been more obvious.

I wonder if anyone's succumbed to Hazard Perception Test Rage yet? "Fuckin' auld cnut, get out of it!!" Heh!

[angryjonny]

I work in IT and I passed the theory test first time, but I still agree that it's a load of rubbish. You can't get a computer to judge what someone is thinking - so yes people will fail if they can't spot hazards, but they will also fail if they're not operating the software properly. This is unfair.

If we must have a hazard perception test then sit the candidate down with an examiner for 10 minutes and get them to explain the hazards as they develop. That way you'll get a much better judged opinion about whether or not they're fit to be on the road.

[LeeR]

[Andy levitt]

Im rebooking soon and giving it anther shot. I actually thought id have pasted because i spotted all the hazards. I think i did it too early and next ill do more constant clicks
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Theory test Done 4/6/07
Practical test Done 21/12/07

[duncanpage]

I think the Europeans have the right idea.

If you fail your test 3 times they wont let you take it again...if you fail that many times should you be on the road?!!!!!
The answer is wait until you're a competent driver (stops idiots driving on the road until they're capable of dealing with things e.g ambulances - instead of hitting the brakes and not moving, making the ambulance mount the central reservation of a dual carriageway to get round them! I see it everyday as I live on a dual carriageway with an ambulance centre at the end of the road!)

Also if you have a bike licence & then fail your car test they take away your bike licence until you've passed your car test (and vice versa) but i think that's only if you fail for something like road signs etc, not if you fail from not being able to control the vehical you're riding/driving.

I do sympathise though as I didn't get as many points as I could have through clicking too early.

I was shocked by the driving of the video car though, it was approaching a junction with a Lorry on the main road turning into the side road (which the video car was in) instead of stopping to allow the lorry to turn into the road and navigate past a parked car, the video car continued forward until the lorry was actually going round the parked car and then came to a standstill because the video car had hardly left enough room! What kind of example is that for new drivers!