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PostPosted: 19:55 - 19 Jun 2007    Post subject: Dont buy a new Nissan!!! Reply with quote

Just watching M&M and just learnt that renault have bought a major share in Nissan which means that parts and floor pans are shared. Shocked Shocked
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 19 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nissan have been fitting renault parts/engines in their range for ages. I wouldnt touch a renault with a barge pole. Laughing Laguna 2 anyone? Doh!
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 19 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nb wrote:
Nissan have been fitting renault parts/engines in their range for ages. I wouldnt touch a renault with a barge pole. Laughing Laguna 2 anyone? Doh!


Yes please, I would like electrical problems and implosion of my engine please too! Laughing

That said Nissans aren't too bad, Nissan still have control of quality on their cars, just because they share parts with Renault doesn't mean they will have the same problems.
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 19 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Renault bought the stake in Nissan years ago, as Nissan were going broke (from memory, until about 1990 Nissan had never made a loss).

All the best

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PostPosted: 20:31 - 19 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nb wrote:
Nissan have been fitting renault parts/engines in their range for ages. I wouldnt touch a renault with a barge pole. Laughing Laguna 2 anyone? Doh!



My other half has a Renault Clio. It's been a nice little car........so far. Praying
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PostPosted: 01:36 - 20 Jun 2007    Post subject: Re: Dont buy a new Nissan!!! Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:
Just watching M&M and just learnt that renault have bought a major share in Nissan which means that parts and floor pans are shared. Shocked Shocked


Welcome to 15 years ago. They moved my friends job to France in the late 90's, he wasn't asked to go.
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PostPosted: 08:13 - 20 Jun 2007    Post subject: Re: Dont buy a new Nissan!!! Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:
Just watching M&M and just learnt that renault have bought a major share in Nissan which means that parts and floor pans are shared. Shocked Shocked


...and Ford own a major share in Mazda

the Peugeot 107 and Toyota Aygo share components and are built in the same Czech factory

Citroen/Peugeot build diesel engines for Ford

Cerberus is looking to buy Chrysler, and Jaguar and Landrover are on their radar now too.

The days of a specific manufacturer and specific brand are gone.

All cars share components and come from a handful of manufacturing plants. As this progresses, you'll find less and less separating the cars in terms of performance and reliability, either for better or worse, and they will just be identified by styling.

Cars are no longer a luxury item, they are a lifestyle commodity and more people don't know nor care where they come from, or what it under the bonnet, just as long as it 'fits' with their image.

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PostPosted: 08:49 - 20 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the Peugeot 107 and Toyota Aygo share components and are built in the same Czech factory.


Add the Citroen C1 to that too!

I have a C2. Was in a mates 206cc a few weeks ago and noticed that a lot of the internals are similar. I'm not fussed, if I can get it cheaper from on parts supplier, than another then I'm happy! Smile
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PostPosted: 08:59 - 20 Jun 2007    Post subject: Re: Dont buy a new Nissan!!! Reply with quote

m99dws wrote:

Welcome to 15 years ago. They moved my friends job to France in the late 90's, he wasn't asked to go.


I knew about a lot of the other partnerships this one suprised me a little.
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 20 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Renault 1.9 diesel engine is also used in Volvo (aka Ford) vehicles. Ok, it is breathed on a little but it is the same engine. According to the dealer it's far better than the 2 litre replacement from the Ford/PAS group.

Bear in mind that development cost for new vehicles is damn expensive and there are now tie-ins between lots of car makers. Anyone remember the Ford Galaxy, Fiat Alhambra and whatever Volkswagen called it were the same car/bus with different badges. The Ford Focus floorpan is used by the C-Max, Volvo's S40, V50, C70, C30 and Mazda's 3 & 5.
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PostPosted: 09:22 - 20 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

PSA holds a collaboration agreement with Fiat known as Sevel (Société Européenne de Véhicules Légers SpA, owned 50% by Fiat, 25% by Automobiles Peugeot and 25% by Automobiles Citroën). As a result of this, two factories have been built assembling three ranges of vehicles.

There is a more recent agreement with Toyota Motor Corporation for the development and manufacturing of a series of city cars in a new factory in the Czech Republic. The resulting company is called TPCA (Toyota Peugeot Citroën Automobile) and it currently manufactures the Citroën C1, Peugeot 107 and Toyota Aygo.

There is also a new agreement with PSA and BMW; the new Prince engines designed by this joint venture will replace current PSA's TU engine family.

In 2005, PSA Peugeot Citroën formed an alliance with Mitsubishi Motors. Under the deal, PSA Peugeot Citroën will import the Citroën C-Crosser and Peugeot 4007 for sale in Europe. Those two models are based on the Mitsubishi Outlander, and will be assembled at Mitsubishi's plant in Okazaki, Japan. Engine choices will include PSA Peugeot Citroën's diesel engines and Mitsubishi's petrol engines.

PSA also supplies Ford with a 1.6l Diesel engine used in the Ford Focus and the Volvo S40.

Fiat owns Magneti Marelli which in turn owns:
Carello, Automotive Lighting, Siem, Cofap, Jaeger, Solex, Veglia Borletti, Vitaloni and Weber

GM has a 50% share in Daewoo, and the Suzuki Alto is a rebadged Daewoo Tico

Toyota owns Isuzu and Daihatsu, and Toyota Lexcen was sold in Australia as the Holden Commodore, where Holden is part of the GM group.

Ford used to own Kia but sold it to Hyundai

There have been long standing links between Mitsubishi and Chrysler/Daimler (a GM company) as well as partnerships with Hyundai and Proton (who own Lotus). In the '90s, the Carisma was made alongside the volvo S40/V40 with many components shared.

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PostPosted: 10:00 - 20 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

feef wrote:
...In the '90s, the Carisma was made alongside the volvo S40/V40 with many components shared....

Thanks for the info but I must be picky about the S/V40 & Carisma.
Wikipedia S40/V40 wrote:
...Despite the shared platform, the S40 and Carisma are not the same car. Of the 5,000 parts on the cars, 4,000 were unique to each. Of the remainder, 650 were produced by Volvo and 350 by Mitsubishi. ...


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PostPosted: 22:16 - 20 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Fair few more bits of ownership floating around.

Believe VW has now bought a stake in Proton. While Porsche own a chunk of VW. Seat are owned by VW. Audi are owned by VW, and in turn own Lamborghini.

Fiat group basically own Fiat, Alfa, Lancia, Autobianci, Ferrari and Maserati (with Ferrari not being part of Fiat Auto).

Subaru are partly owned by GM. Saab are owned by GM. GM almost landed up owning Fiat Auto (they got stitched up in an equity swap and found that Fiat had the option to force GM to buy the rest of Fiat Auto, cost them billions to get out of that one).

Volvo almost got bought by Renault before Ford managed to grab them. Now looks likely that Renault will buy Volvo from Ford.

All the best

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PostPosted: 00:08 - 21 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:

Believe VW has now bought a stake in Proton. While Porsche own a chunk of VW. Seat are owned by VW. Audi are owned by VW, and in turn own Lamborghini.


That'll be VAG then.
Skoda are floating around in there too. Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:31 - 21 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:
That'll be VAG then.
Skoda are floating around in there too. Laughing


Yep, along with Bentley and Bugatti.

Does seem strange that a minow of a car company like Porsche can own almost a third of a giant like VW.

All the best

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PostPosted: 00:33 - 21 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just hope they don't share wheel Bolts.

Damn that would put me off owning a Lambo.

VW have the worst wheel Bolts known to Man!
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