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PostPosted: 21:57 - 02 Jul 2007    Post subject: Cyclists: Reply with quote

Who told them that they could run red lights, anyway?

Some of those fucking idiots shouldn't be allowed on the road.

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PostPosted: 22:00 - 02 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's when cyclists can't decide whether they are road users or pedestrians. As soon as a red light is encountered, they go into pedestrian mode.

I prefer to cycle on the pavement anyway.
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 02 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

when i used to ride a pushbike i got stopped on the way to work for riding on the pavement, the week after i got stopped for riding on the road! Where the fuck do you ride then?

Cyclists are okay as long as they look where they are going.
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 02 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah i just cycle on the pavement, dont have to worry about crazy arse car drivers who overtake about an inch away from you.
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 02 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get annoyed at cyclists jumping redlights, especially if im on foot and trying to cross a road. Swear i'll boot one off one day.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 02 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oi Laughing

I pick and choose whichever is faster, but only when safe of course ie if red i will go on pavement to use a crossing, but not on the road to run the red light.

If the law can't make up their mind then i'll cycle where i want, like motorcycling there are pros and cons, cycling on both pavement and road is a pro.
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 02 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

i thought it was illegal to cycle on the pavement anyway? or is it just generally frowned up on?...

hang on i might of got mixed up with wearing cycle helmets...
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 02 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only reason I detest cyclists is because of the red light running. And fuck it, I'll be honest - I'm jealous. That and cycling on the pavement. But then again, I used to do that as a kid (admittedly not in a city fucking centre).

My argument has no foundations so I like them really. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 02 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are cycle routes on pavements though.
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 02 Jul 2007    Post subject: Re: Cyclists: Reply with quote

Stoyve wrote:
Who told them that they could run red lights, anyway?

Some of those fucking idiots shouldn't be allowed on the road.

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Guilty as charged. I cycle into work a lot, as well as for recreation, and I do run red lights. I know its illegal, but the reasons I do it are as follows:

1. Conservation of momentum. When you have got upto 20odd mph, it is fooking annoying scrubbing all that speed, only to have to put all the effort in again. In a car or on a bike, it takes no effort at all.
2. Its faster!
3. Bit of a lame reason, but I have spd pedals (where you click your feet in), and clicking them back in when starting off can be a bit tricky. This is not helped when you have a tool in a car right in your blind spot, or trying to push you into the curb. I try to avoid situations where a car can collect me, so I try not to stop at all.
4. It pisses car drivers off. Its like filtering, only better. Laughing though filtering on a pushbike is much more satisfying (and probably quicker) than on a motorbike.
5. The chance of me getting busted is minimal - I have no plate, and I don't do it when cops are around.

I appreciate that it can be disconcerting for pedestrians, and obviously if there is people using a crossing who I cannot give a very wide berth to, then I will stop.

However, if you want me to sit a red light waiting to turn left, when it is all clear then you can kiss my swingers. The majority of red lights I run are at junctions, not pedestrian crossings.

For those people who are riding on the pavement, then be warned, that is entirely illegal, and IMO carries a much higher risk of injuring a pedestrian than me not waiting a ped X when the only crosser is 3/4 over the road.

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PostPosted: 22:38 - 02 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if I'm walking on a pavement then cyclists had better move round me or they'll find themselves flat on their arse. I'm quite a big feller and I'm not moving out of their way. They're not supposed to be on the pavement so if they want to share it with pedestrians, they go round not through. The ringing of bells will just make things go harder on them.

I've pushed cyclists off their bikes before when they did not show due courtesy to ther road/pavement users and I will undoubtedly do so again.
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 02 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always go round and tend to choose the route that is less populated by cars/pedestrians respectively, which is why its handy to pick and choose between road/pavement.
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 02 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

IM guilty of being an arse on my mountain bike. on my bmx im not too bad because its knackering riding a fixed cog Very Happy. But on my mountain bike im a nightmare and i admit it. It's all part of the fun. I chop and change between riding on the road, pavement, grass verges, through traffic that is stood still everything, as long as i can do it ill do it, regardless. I know its dangerous, but so is riding a motorbike, doesnt stop me riding does it, and yes it might be inconsiderate to other road users but so what. Ive not hit anything/one yet XD... i really must get my MB back together again. I miss terrorising preston Sad



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PostPosted: 23:15 - 02 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you cn get away with it then id do it, i mean come on how many of us do things on our bikes that are not allowed but we get away with?
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PostPosted: 05:55 - 03 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about road positioning?
I had one cyclist riding in the middle of the road like a bike!
I couldn't get past him because of oncoming traffic in the next lane.
He was going around 15mph too, so he was holding me and everyone up behind him.
In the end I beeped him and went really close he soon shifted.
I did feel guilty but he was taking the mick, I think I went half a mile at 15 mph in a 40 limit before I got aggressive.
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PostPosted: 07:45 - 03 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i thought it was illegal to cycle on the pavement anyway? or is it just generally frowned up on?...


Theres a few cycle paths on pavements aound here, on the more dangerous roads. People still shout at you for riding on them tho Confused
Other wise, Ive been asked to get off by Police once as I were on the pavement with no cycle lane.
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PostPosted: 08:02 - 03 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAOHhV1EFe4&mode=related&search=


maybe this vid i posted a while ago will help lol Laughing


Cyclists do my head in they weave round infront of you and wont let traffic past and wont use the cycle paths that where provided when the yapped for them, they prefer to use a lane on the dual carriageway and cycle beside their path. Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 03 Jul 2007    Post subject: Re: Cyclists: Reply with quote

Stoyve wrote:
Who told them that they could run red lights, anyway?

Some of those fucking idiots shouldn't be allowed on the road.

Discuss.


Shhh! The more that run red lights, the more that get splattered. The more that get splattered, the more that decide not to run red lights!

Left turns at red lights should be legal for all traffic IMHO Thumbs Up The same as in Yankee land (obviously right turns over there).

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PostPosted: 08:30 - 03 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

dragonfly wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAOHhV1EFe4&mode=related&search=


maybe this vid i posted a while ago will help lol Laughing


Cyclists do my head in they weave round infront of you and wont let traffic past and wont use the cycle paths that where provided when the yapped for them, they prefer to use a lane on the dual carriageway and cycle beside their path. Laughing


U obviously don't get out on your bicycle much then Exclamation Maybe if you tried riding a bike on the road you would understand the difficulties and danger placed on cyclists by idiot cagers whith about as much respect you have shown to cyclists. What do you want them to do for fook sake, ride in the gutter. Go out on a bike for an hour on single tracks, dual tracks all different speed limits then you may show more understanding and appreciation. Just a thought.

And dude, whats your beef with cyclists running red lights, has one actually caused you harm by doing so? If so then your point would be most valid, but does a cyclist cause any more harm going through a red light than all the speeding bikers? Think your getting a bit pedantic on this one. As shown on the above posts many of the bikers use pavement, as if thats a good thing. Well no, its actually because their shit scared of cycling on the road. Says it all.
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PostPosted: 08:39 - 03 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do get out on (push)bikes actually i was out twice this week in a bid to keep fit and my motorbike is being fixed. So you think its ok for them to weave around infront of traffic? and not use their cycle lanes?

They also dont use signals when turning and i near witnessed a nasty accident when a cyclist shot across traffic and turned right while other cars where going ahead without signalling. Sure the car driver had a fright as it was a close one.

The should be more safe on the road like using life savers before thinking that people will see them, its the same for a motorbike, if i did what a cyclist done in safety terms i would be dead.


As long as they keep safe then i will be happy as i am not happy with anyone who near causes an accident where anyone is involved.
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PostPosted: 08:43 - 03 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am courteous to cyclists, i always leave a comfortable gap when i am waiting to overtake, and always leave plenty room to the left of me when i do overtake. Running red lights is just plain stupid when crossing very busy junctions, if they get twatted by a gigantic lorry, they only have themselves to blame. I have no problem with them crossing a junction as a pedestrian would do either, because like you said it causes no harm. Running a red light in rush hour at a busy junction is just plain stupid, though and i have seen it done many times.

Cyclists on dual carriageways piss me off too, once again it's their own fault if they get flattened. There are cycle paths there for them to use, but instead they endanger themselves and people who are actually entitled to use that road for absolutely no logical reason.

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PostPosted: 08:47 - 03 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course i'm not saying cyclists should be weaving, but then I must admit i've never seen a weaving cyclist, maybe the cyclist are drunk where you live!! And maybe where you live you are fortunate enough to have a council that lays decent cycle lanes, if so then their use would be beneficial to all cyclists. However from my experience and that of many cyclists cycle lanes are a total nonsense and actually put the cyclist at a disadvantage due to the obscure detours and abrupt finishing. Just because they are their doesn't mean a cyclist should use them as proven in the courts not so long ago. Fair play by the way for going out on your bike.
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PostPosted: 08:47 - 03 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

dragonfly wrote:

They also dont use signals when turning and i near witnessed a nasty accident when a cyclist shot across traffic and turned right while other cars where going ahead without signalling. Sure the car driver had a fright as it was a close one.

The should be more safe on the road like using life savers before thinking that people will see them, its the same for a motorbike, if i did what a cyclist done in safety terms i would be dead.


It can be difficult to signal whilst riding - especially when turning right, as I like to be able to cover my front brake as much as possible. It also makes you more unstable, and is actually difficult to turn. I try to signal in advance, but its virtually impossible to signal all the way through a maneuver.

I don't see why you think you are less safe on your motorbike than a cyclist - which is what you imply in the second paragraph. Cyclists who regularly ride on the road in traffic are the most vulnerable road user, and as such need the most effective observation. Sometimes we have to be aggressive and position ourselves in such a way to impede cars immediate progress in order to stay out of dangerous situations.
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 03 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

niceguyeduardo wrote:
Of course i'm not saying cyclists should be weaving, but then I must admit i've never seen a weaving cyclist, maybe the cyclist are drunk where you live!! And maybe where you live you are fortunate enough to have a council that lays decent cycle lanes, if so then their use would be beneficial to all cyclists. However from my experience and that of many cyclists cycle lanes are a total nonsense and actually put the cyclist at a disadvantage due to the obscure detours and abrupt finishing. Just because they are their doesn't mean a cyclist should use them as proven in the courts not so long ago. Fair play by the way for going out on your bike.


Maybe cyclists are differant where i am from and i am not dissrespecting them. I do go out on a push bike and it is dangerous, even more dangerous than a motorcycle as most car uses tend to had push bikes more when they see you. Hence why i go on the curb, i dont cycle in high populated areas on curbs as its for pedestryans i get of and walk the bike.

I had a bad encounter with a cyclist before whern i was behind them on the motorbike and they where one second on the side then on in the middle weaving about and this was a professional in lyra etc, there was a cue a mile long and when i tried to pass when she was on the side she weaved out near causing me to go on the other side of road. And alot of cars where getting impatient then she was on the left again and when i went to turn right she swerved infront of me cauing me to slam my breaks on as i near hit her. She gave no warning. I seen two other cyclists do this on a few cars infront also another occasion. They could have been knocked of the two of them as it was a close call.

Our council has paths for them on the dual carriageway and they cycle beside it, its a bike path hense all the painted bike signs on it. I dont understand why they dont use it.



I also didnt say it was less safe on a motorcycle more of less the same vulnerablity.

Again nothing against them i just seen them do some dangerous stunts.
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 03 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nicky-Jano wrote:
What about road positioning?
I had one cyclist riding in the middle of the road like a bike!
I couldn't get past him because of oncoming traffic in the next lane.
He was going around 15mph too, so he was holding me and everyone up behind him.
In the end I beeped him and went really close he soon shifted.
I did feel guilty but he was taking the mick, I think I went half a mile at 15 mph in a 40 limit before I got aggressive.


Same as if you are on a scooter/L-plates/etc... Cyclists don't need to sacrifice safe road position just because the cars behind are impatient. They can also ride two abreast if needs be. I travel pretty quicklyso will maintain my road position more often than not...

I almost got scooped off the other week by the school run where a numpty of a driver turned right from the sideroad and forced me to swerve kerbwards. Also, I get fed up with cars backing out of sideroads or pulling out from the parking bays outside the school without giving way to me, forcing me to slam on the brakes or swerve around them. there's a speed hump/width restriction which people seem to think is a zebra/pedestrian crossing. I've slid to a halt sharpishly on the MTB and the ZZR when mums have stepped out dragging their kids behind them without looking. I take a longer route perpously to avoid the chelsea tractors/school run now...

I've slapped a few roofs in my time and punched the side of a van which almost reversed into me out of a sideroad and ground my bar end down the side of a bus that pulled out right into me when I was passing it. I've had people cut the junction just to get past me when turning right (and I don't hang about) then force me over into the parked cars because it's so important for them to get to the car park 5 seconds earlier...

I tend to stick to the redways (MK cycle/foot paths) which can lead to some fun shortcuts up and down steps, hopping over the occasional kerb or pile of glass and it keeps me away from the NSL roads. I'm glad as the traffic round here is nuts if you can't do more than 50mph.

I'll nip through gaps, filter like a mad 'un and use whatever advantage I can get over the cars when I need to as "following the rules" will more often than not bring you into contact with arsey and impatient car drivers or the institute for the blind taxi company... Smile

I keep the bike off the pavements though, but the last (big) crash I had was due to the fact that few pedestrians realise that blocking the cyclepath is a real danger. Quite often the cycleway has people on both sides, prams being pushed down the middle or groups of people meandering along and generally getting in the way. they should enforce a "Stick to the left" policy to avoid mishaps.

I smashed myself up when I came across a dog walker on the left of the path, his dog on the right and one of those infinitely thin and terribly hard to see extendable dog leads (which should be banned Evil or Very Mad ) between them. At night. He should've kept the damned dog reeled in but didn't so I had to slam on the brakes and it chucked me over the front. Knackered me for a week...

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