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PostPosted: 09:42 - 01 Jul 2007    Post subject: Xenon lightbulbs Reply with quote

Hi i was just wondering if there are any potential problems with upgrading headlights with these? its not going to kill my battery/electrics is it? im pretty sure i read somewhere some 'vehicles' need modifications but everything is the same, same wattage and size etc, just brighter.

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PostPosted: 10:16 - 01 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you on about xenon light bulbs (which are crap) or proper high intensity discharge(HID) lighting?
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 01 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said if you mean the bulbs you are wasting your money. If you mean HID's they yes they are brighter much brighter and yes you will need to modify the bike. You will need a ballast to start the light and thats about the size of 2 fag packets. Also sometimes the bulb holder needs to be altered. Heat wise they will run cooler than your standard bulb as they are only 35watts.

They are also illegal to fit as after market lighting as they need to be self levelling and also a cleaning system fitted. But to get tugged by the boys in blue for that will be rare, so not really worth worrying about.
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 01 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.nam.lighting.philips.com/us/automotive/products/xtremepower.php

i have a set of these on he way.
ill let you know how they go.
gotta be better than there crap i have in there now.
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 01 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was just after some lightbulbs and had a choice between standard halogen and the xenon ones. Didnt know what all the difference was between all the different ones you can get. Why are they rubbish? ive just bought a pair not fitted them yet... Sad
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 01 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xenon/HD bulbs of the same wattage are pretty crap.

Usually same bulbs with tinted glass. The colour restricts light and is poorer to use than standard, though may look slightly better/odd.

I used some higher wattage ones(without knowing). Melted my holders in 2-3 hours riding.
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 02 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

PIA are the brightest bulbs but $$$$.
Standard fit no mods.

HID $$$$$$$$ in comparison plus hassle of fitting.

https://www.piaa.co.uk/

I have used same bulbs for 3 yrs. Laughing

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PostPosted: 10:14 - 02 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

wattage is often confused with light output. With regular tungsten filament bulbs, as used in most headlights, wattage is a good like-for-like comparison. With tungsten filament bulbs, around 60% of the energy is output as heat, and not light.

However as pointed out earlier, HID lights, which use an electic arc, output more light and less heat but also consume less power, running at around 35watts.

The measurement of light output is in Lumens, and in terms of distance lit compared to the lumens of a light source it follows the inverse square law.

In simple terms, to double the distance you can see you need to quadruple the lumens being output by the source.

Anyone that claims a SIGNIFICANT increase in visible distance by fitting a different kind of incandescent (tungsten filament) bulb of the same power consumption is either wrong, or has somehow managed to break the laws of physics.

it IS possible with some incandescent lights, that by changing the colour, and making the beam more white it increases the effective luminosity, but even then, it's going to be a small increase in luminosity giving an even smaller increase in visibility.

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PostPosted: 11:12 - 02 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
PIA are the brightest bulbs but $$$$.
Standard fit no mods.

HID $$$$$$$$ in comparison plus hassle of fitting.

https://www.piaa.co.uk/

I have used same bulbs for 3 yrs. Laughing

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If it was Spam it tastes good. Cool

Been tempted by their spotlight but just stuck with the bulbs for now.

VERY VERY good bulbs, they even do vibration proof ones as well, ideal for my 1150GS. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 02 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brill thanks a lot guys Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 03 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

feef wrote:
wattage is often confused with light output. With regular tungsten filament bulbs, as used in most headlights, wattage is a good like-for-like comparison. With tungsten filament bulbs, around 60% of the energy is output as heat, and not light.

However as pointed out earlier, HID lights, which use an electic arc, output more light and less heat but also consume less power, running at around 35watts.

The measurement of light output is in Lumens, and in terms of distance lit compared to the lumens of a light source it follows the inverse square law.

In simple terms, to double the distance you can see you need to quadruple the lumens being output by the source.

Anyone that claims a SIGNIFICANT increase in visible distance by fitting a different kind of incandescent (tungsten filament) bulb of the same power consumption is either wrong, or has somehow managed to break the laws of physics.

it IS possible with some incandescent lights, that by changing the colour, and making the beam more white it increases the effective luminosity, but even then, it's going to be a small increase in luminosity giving an even smaller increase in visibility.

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Just the slightest wiff-ett of Wiki copy>paste in that. Cool
But interesting... Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 03 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
Just the slightest wiff-ett of Wiki copy>paste in that. Cool
But interesting... Thumbs Up


Really? I didn't touch wikipedia.. I just wrote it from my memories of physics at school and stuff from my engineering degree :S

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PostPosted: 11:56 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finglonga wrote:


They are also illegal to fit as after market lighting as they need to be self levelling and also a cleaning system fitted. But to get tugged by the boys in blue for that will be rare, so not really worth worrying about.


This stipulation for Xenon fitment is for the xenon packs when fitted when new by the manufacturer - much stricter so it appeals to different markets aswell. Aftermarket fitment stipulates correct beam pattern/angle and colour. It won't fail an MOT if doesn't have self levelling or cleaning. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

i tried the real xenons.... HERE

they were fairly easy to fit with the ballasts stuffed in the nosecone area. light was very good but the buzzing they make annoyed me. i got a cheapo car kit off ebay for £50 ish as i dint know if it would work or not.
i wont be fitting them to my new bike.

oh and they passed the MOT without comment aswell.
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

very nice! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got xenon bulbs from ebay, they have been on about 5k miles and have been great, bright than the previous ones and no damaged to anything.
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keir_K3 wrote:
i tried the real xenons.... HERE

they were fairly easy to fit with the ballasts stuffed in the nosecone area. light was very good but the buzzing they make annoyed me.


That is a problem with them on bikes some buzz some whistle, all of them can be heard from a good few feet away from the bike.

Worth fitting if you do allot of night time riding or have extremely poor headlights, but an expensive gimmick if not. Confused
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
I got xenon bulbs from ebay, they have been on about 5k miles and have been great, bright than the previous ones and no damaged to anything.


cool Thumbs Up ive fit mine and they do appear whiter and brighter than the old ones, so they arent too bad. I got them cheapish off the internet and my current ones were shagged all the connectors were loose.

Not brilliant but does the job i guess
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 05 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Xneon lightbulbs also need around 10 000 volts. therfor you must install a transformer to adjust the voltage from 12V to around 10 000V. its very expensive..and that is almost everything it is.
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 05 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fr1g1 wrote:
The Xneon lightbulbs also need around 10 000 volts. therfor you must install a transformer to adjust the voltage from 12V to around 10 000V. its very expensive..and that is almost everything it is.


its not very expensive. as i said £50 form ebay. its also a ballast igniter to ignite the bulbs then they run on less power.
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 05 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finglonga wrote:
Worth fitting if you do allot of night time riding or have extremely poor headlights, but an expensive gimmick if not. Confused



The other benefit is the low power consumption.

For example, the FJR has a relatively low powered alternator for a tourer, and if you have heated grips, GPS, Autocom and other accessories all on at once, you might end up rawing more power than the alternator can output.

By using HID lights, you're effectively halfing the powere requirements of your lights, freeing up extra for your bobbins and gadgets

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