honda cbr125

newbiker · L Plate Warrior Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Karma :

hi everyone, i,ve just done my cbt & am thinking of getting either a nsr or maybe the new cbr125 (not sure when its available though). any advice would be welcome :

NSR125-Kid-UK · Attention Whore Joined: 03 May 2003 Karma :

Well i reckon that the CBR125 looks decent, but in my opinion, the NSR still looks better. Also, with the CBR being a fairly new machine, there's not much known about its performance.
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one1895 · Posted: 00:50 - 26 Oct 2003 Post subject:

How old are you newbiker?

In my opinion the NSR would be a lot better than the CBR125. The looks and stats speak for themselves. Very Happy

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newbiker · L Plate Warrior Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Karma :

i agree on the "looks" front just not too sure about 2 stroke v 4 stroke

one1895 · Posted: 01:01 - 26 Oct 2003 Post subject:

Well what sort of bike are you looking to get?
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NSR125-Kid-UK · Attention Whore Joined: 03 May 2003 Karma :

I can't remember all the differences off of the top of my head, but as far as i can remember, Two strokes produce more of their power at higher revs than four strokes, and they also pollute more. Er i think a 125 2 stroke performs better than a 125 four stroke, but i could be wrong. Also, two strokes are a lot less reliable than 4 strokes. so that could be an issue in choosing your bike.
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newbiker · L Plate Warrior Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Karma :

yep, 2 stroke reliability definitely seems to be an issue from what ive read although the nsr seems to be ok. This is the main reason that im looking at the cbr as well although my local dealer wasnt too sure if its quoted 13bhp was the max it could ever produce.if it is then i guess im better off with the nsr as it can be derestricted.(after my test of couse !!)

Micro Monkey · Nova Slayer Joined: 10 Apr 2003 Karma :

Go with a NSR125. The reliability is very good on the NSR even though it's a 2 stroke so i would not worry about that too much (Aprilia RS125's and Cagiva Mito's are the 2 strokes that have reliability problems).

Once derestricted you will get around 30bhp out of the NSR which is good for around 100mph compared to the CBR125's 14bhp which will reach 65mph at a push (The CBR can not be derestricted so 14bhp is the very most you will ever get out of it). In the long run the NSR is the more sensible option as you will soon get fed up of the CBR125's pathetic speed and you will probably be wishing you had bought an NSR in the first place.

A 2 Stroke engine will make roughly twice as much power as a 4 stroke engine of the same capacity just to let you know.

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kev · I Hump Things Joined: 07 Oct 2002 Karma :

Just get a cheap 125, learn to ride then get something decent rather than wasteing all your money on a little hairdryer which will drop in price bit time and will cost loads to fix when you crash it.
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Robby · Dirty Old Man Joined: 16 May 2002 Karma :

CBR125 is making its full power at 13bhp. No chance of derestricting it. Full power NSR makes 24bhp - thats what dannys made on the dyno.

There is no point buying a vaguely new 125, spending anything over 1200 is just silly. Its a bike you should keep for a maximum of 6 months, by which time you should have passed your test.

All 125s are inferior in every way. Do your test, get a proper bike, make sure you don't lose any money on a 125. If your worried about an older bike breaking, people on here can tell you how to fix it. New bikes break too, they just cost more to repair.

Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

cagiva gezzer · World Chat Champion Joined: 17 Mar 2003 Karma :

A note on the power quotes.

The 13Bhp for the cbr125 will be at the crank and will have a lot less at the wheel due to power losses in the drivechain, maybe 9 or 10bhp

i.e, a 31bhp cagiva mito will only have 24/25 at the wheel.

Me thinks that you could be a lot better of getting a flash 50cc and tuning the nuts off of it to get around 12bhp from a 50cc and 15+bhp from a 70cc. A lot cheaper and quicker than the 125.

My 50cc derbi put out 10/11bhp (crank) (8bhp wheel) with a conservative barrel, large carb and a performance pipe. Although it didnt have as high top speed as the cg 125 i did my test on, it was a lot quicker and a lot more fun.
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MarJay · But it's British! Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Karma :

it has occurred to me that the demise of the 2-stroke is a truly bad thing. The CBR125 is a hideous travesty.

Imagine if you will, a CG125 Or an NSR125. There's no comparison really is there?

The worst tradgedy of the lot is the end of the Aprilia RS250, NSR250 etc.

Emissions regulations hmph. A Cancerous Polyp on the anus of motorcycling. Very Happy

I might just have to get me a quarter litre 2 stroke bike so that I can make the world a smokey Castrol-R fumed place again. Smile

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cagiva gezzer · World Chat Champion Joined: 17 Mar 2003 Karma :

spoilt kids dont WANT a second-hand bike!
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newbiker · L Plate Warrior Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Karma :

ok,sounds like the nsr is gonna be a better option if the cbr doesnt sound as though u can "derestict" it. The other reason i, going down the "125" route is not because of my age as i would be eligible to do my test via direct access but because i,m not very tall and feel that i would struggle with the pysical size of the bigger bikes ie seat height!!Anyone else have this problem?

Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

Hi

There are plenty of people on here who are not that tall (as well as a few giants).

I bet you are taller than Anna and she has no problems on a CBR400.

All the best

Keith
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Craig_ · Trackday Trickster Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Karma :

Im small \o/

or is it i make the bike look small... one of those Smile

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kd · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 09 May 2003 Karma :

that is so true...spolit kids do want a brand spankin new bike...but i want a new 125 Sad

but everyone tells me not to buy one, so i found this nice 2000 nsr for £1500, is it worth it?? but i cant get it till early may nxt year and i dont think the guy will wait that long Sad

i am bored of my 50cc speedfight, which has a tuned pipe...but onl goes 40mph, it did go 48mph, then i took it to the garage to get serviced, and when i got it back it only went 40mph...n e way that point is....is a 2000nsr 50000 miles on the clock for £1500 worth it??...its just for 6 months until i get my 400 Very Happy

soz bout that long post, got carried away
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Gti · Bendy Groupie Joined: 07 May 2003 Karma :

I hope you meant to put just 5000 miles instead of 50,000 miles! With 50k on the clock the engine would be in such a state, especially as it's a two stroke. And seeing as it's a 2000 model that would have been 50k worth of thrashing it!

I'm going to assume there is just 5000 miles on the clock which would make £1500 seem too good to be true. Ask him whats happened to the bike for it to need a re-spray, most likely been in an accident.

I had the exact same bike but mine was worth around £2300 with 4500 miles on it and in mint conditon (shame it's not that way now Evil or Very Mad

). At least run an HPI check on it before you decide to buy it mate.

Ste · Not Work Safe Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Karma :

If you can't buy till May, there is no point really in looking now, as pricing will be different, generally milages will be higher as there are no new NSRs going on the road.

G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

Prices will also be a tad more expensive because, hopefully, the weather will be getting nice and a lot of people will be looking outside and thing 'hmmm... nice day for a ride' Smile

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Hex · Party Boy Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

Newbiker, just how tall are you?

I'm 5'6 which aint exactly tall for a guy and I manage my CBR6 just fine. As Keith said Anna has a CBR4 and she's all of 5'1.
Same with Bendy, she has the same bike as myself and is shorter than myself.

So don't let size put you off to much.