CBT- Enforced or not?

[2t-Screamer]

ok so heres my story, ive been riding bikes for about 10 years now (always on a cbt, just kept retaking every 2 years when it ran out) , about 9 months ago my cbt expired and i decided to sell my bike i then went 6 months without a bike untill 3 months ago when i bought a new 1,..NOW i taxed mot'd AND insured this bike without a cbt ever been mentioned or requested, this was 3 months ago and i still havent rode the bike as im waiting till i retake my cbt but my point is this, I know that for the last 3 months i could have been riding my bike without a cbt and i would have gotten away with it (providing the police didnt pull me for anything and check) so i guess my question is this.

1) unlike vehicle tax where the dvla sends you a reminder when its about to expire you recieve nothing for a cbt thats about to expire which makes me wonder if the dvla even know whether or not you have one? so exactly how (if at all) is a cbt enforced?
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[Andy C]

AFAIK its the same as riding a >125cc bike without a full bike lisence.

In your case its a stupid rule but thats just how it is. Why not do your full test? You must be easily good enough and then no Ls and pillions!!
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[Kal]

As far as I am aware purely by Police Officers stopping you and asking for your documents/giving you a presenter.

Agree with the test suggestion. One test then all done no more CBT's.

You must have spent more than enough to cover a full licence over the years.
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[T.C]

The specific offence is "Failing to comply with the requirements of a provisional licence" which in most cases will only be detected by the Police if you are given a tug or involved in an accident.

The DSA (Driving Standards Agency) at Stanley House in Nottingham maintain records of CBT certificates issued as 13 week returns have to be completed by every centre, and these are usually used for the issue of duplicate certificates if the issuing school ceases trading.

The Police do have the authority to obtain a copy of the records from the DSA, but no national database as such is kept.

If caught by the Police, it is an endorsable offence so points and a fine are the order of the day if you are caught.

In respect of insurance, your insurers will usually meet third party claims if you have an accident, and they will usually fight your corner if you have an accident that is not your fault, it is the in between stuff where you may have difficulty depending on your insurance company.

In order for them to invalidate your insurance, you usually have to be disqualified or never held a licence for the particular class of vehicle you are insured for unless!!!!!!!!!!!!! you make a false declaration to obtain your insurance, for example you tell them that you have a CBT certificate when in fact you don't.

From what you are saying, it would appear that they have never asked you, therefore you have not said anything that can be construed as a false declaration, so you should be fairly safe in that respect.

But, insurers will always look at ways in which they can bite you up the bum!!!!
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[mattgirv]

If in doubt, remember what CBT stands for. Compulsory Basic Training. Hmm, Compulsory being the key word

If you rode your bike, not only would you be down for the thrills of having no license, they will no doubt slap the obligatory 'not riding under terms of insurance' on there too. You'd probably get a ban of some sort even if you pleaded pure ignorance.

I'd imagine as well that although you might not of directly specified to someone at the insurance company of what license you currently hold, lets be honest that obviously they are under the impression that you do hold a license and by accepting their terms and everything else, riding on the road without that said license will cause a whole load of trouble.

[Nixon]

Just to add to it the police arround here (Boston, Lincolnshire) like playing piss off the rider and will randomly follow and pull peds and bikes with L plates and issue a producer as part of a "Crack Down" on unqualified riders
They've done it to me 4 times in bout a year and a bloke i work with was puled on his ped even though he has a full license and an r6

[bazza]

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[crees]

oops double post

[crees]

Speaking as someone riding for 24 years on 125cc bikes and having passed my car test, done a part one test (old cbt but not enforced) and just had to shell out a hundred quid for a CBT and another two years on the road on a 125, I'm pretty pissed off.

atm I'm having to save up the £900 or so it might cost to take off two L plates

[.Chris.]

I never get why CBT certificates run out - it's not as if you're going to 'forget' how to ride a bike is it.
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[Kal]

£900?

Even if you went DAS you shouldn't be looking at more than £500

If you go Part Two for a restricted licence you should be able to use your own machine and reduce that by half
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[Kickstart]

[Kal]

[.Chris.]

[Kickstart]

Hi

In which case the solution would be no CBT, just only riding on the road under instruction until the full test was passed.

All the best

Keith
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[crees]

Keith

[Kal]

I thought that was just for sub 50cc mopeds?
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Yep, but most people got a bike instead of a car. Far fewer could afford both. Same applied for both bike and moped. And it was from when you got your licence, not when you started riding on the road (as there was no CBT, just the part one test which you did not need to pass to ride on the road as a learner).

Or a Northern Ireland licence had no 2 year limit. And a 250 learner law for over a decade longer.

All the best

Keith
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[crees]

A car license was a full provisional bike entitlement for anthing up to 125cc and 12bhp.

[wristjob]

after 10 years of riding im sure you could find a couple of hours and the few quid to actually pass a test.
what is the actual cost of the theory test+practical test?
the fact you have been riding on the road for 10 years and are not dead means that you probably posess most of the skills to pass easily.

[crees]

I passed the ability to use a public road in my car test. I passed the ability to balance and ride round cones on two wheels in my CBT. Where is the sense in other testing other than **** tax?

[wristjob]

so you think that the car test is a good measure of ability?ok the govt.think its enough but it really isnt.
the car test is so easy its a give away.
(as is the bike test)the only reason to fail either test (other than being a complete arse)would be nerves.should these people who cant handle stress be allowed on the road?
the answer to congestion isnt taxation of the motorist(although that will make some good money)the answer is t make people work a bit and earn the privilege to drive/ride.
that would get rid of a few 1000 cars a year.
make people pass a test at least every 10 years,that would get rid of lots more.
i also think that you should be able to renew cbt up to the age of 21 and then you should have to pass a test or take 6 months off.then retake a 2 year cbt knowing that you really should pass the test.
there are so many piss poor drivers/riders out there something needs to be done.
straight lining a roundabout when there is someone to your right should result in jail time.
sitting in the overtaking lanes because you might overtake in a few miles should be a ban.
people stopping at the end of slip roads joining motorways and dual carigeways ,it can only be the death penalty,in public!

[Kal]

[T.C]

When CBT was first introduced in 1990, it was intended to give new riders a little knowledge and confidence before they took to the road, unlike in my day when you collected the bike and the dealer said "See you in a week or so!" knowing full well that most of us would fall off and be back asking him to repair the bike, although in many cases it was far more serious than that.

CBT was as it said on the tin, basic training, but it was seen as that essential ingredient between having no experience, to gaining some experience in a controlled environment and getting experience ontheir own. Something people of my generation never had the luxury of.

The plan was to see a 60% accident reduction involving new riders over the next 10 years (in time for the turn of the century), but it worked so well the reduction was actually seen in less than 5, and even though I am no great fan of statistics, this is one situation where it has certainly worked.

When it was introduced, CBT was for 5 years, then it was for life, then they changed it to three years with a disqualification period of 12 months if the test was not passed during that 3 year period.

The life of the certificate was reduced to 2 years after the 12 month disqualification was removed as it was considered a concession, in other words people would not lose their licence, but if they were not prepared to take their test, then they would have to retake CBT.