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Would you de-33bhp 3 months before end if touring?
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Andy C
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 29 Jul 2007    Post subject: Touring and restriction with hardly any time left to go? Reply with quote

Ok, i plan to tour the UK end of august. Nothing major but since i have never done any would be good. Should be around 1000-1500 miles in total.

Now, i got my license 27/10/05 so its 89 days (~128467 minutes) till I'm non 33bhp. Since owning my current bike its been 33bhp the whole time but have had bikes that possibly weren't.

Now, what i would like to ask is. Would you risk it? I'm not worried about the power as when i got my SV it scared the shit out of me but after 4 months i was a bit bored (though this could be down to the uneventful delivery of the power).

I find being 33bhp quite dangerous now if I'm honest. If i forget about the speed and will go for gaps that normally would be fine but the bike starts getting sluggish which just isn't good!!! (esp when your on the wrong side of the road)

I also understand fully the implications of what would happen if i was to crash/get stopped and the police started asking questions so please dont come up with the bog standard "but if you get stopped............". Thumbs Up

What i would like to know, if you were in my shoes and you were really bored off the power would you de-33bhp 2-3weeks before going? Im just scared it will ruin my trip though boredom

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PostPosted: 18:57 - 29 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its up to you if you want to take the risk.

The likelyhood is that if you ride sensibly youll be perfectly fine. But there is always the possibilty youll get caught.

So no trying to set any land speed records.....
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 29 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm afraid I can't understand how you can be bored...

But personally I wouldn't because I WOULD be stopped. I have that kind of luck, especially if I had been a good boy for a year and 9 months.
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 29 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derestrict and if you get stopped and they want proof then ask for a deferred inspection.


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Section 67 of the road traffic act 1988 allows 'authorised examiners'to carry out roadside tests on motor vehicles, in relation to brakes. steering, tyres, lights and noise and fume emission.Authorised examiners include police constables so authorised by their chief officer of police. Other examiners may be appointed (e.g. by the Secretary of State or a police authority) but they must produce their authority to act as such if required to do so (s.67(6)). Obstructing such an examiner is a summary offence under s.67(9)

Section 67(6) allows for drivers to ask for the examination to be deferred (in accordance with the time limits set out at sch. 2 to the 1988 Act.) However s.67 goes on to state:

Where it appears to a Constable that, by reason of an accident having occurred owing to the presence of the vehicle on the road, it is requisite that the test be carried out forthwith, he may require ot to be so carried out, and if he is not to carry it out himself, may require that the vehicle shall not be carried away until the test has been carried out.

Where in the opinion of the constable that the vehicle is apparently so defective that it ought not to be allowed to proceed without a test been carried out, he may require the test to be carried out forthwith.


This means you have to arrange for the bike to be inspected at a later date giving you time to restrict it.
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 29 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Given your past scares with being checked up on for 33hp, and with touring hardly needing power (a flexable power delivery would be more useful), I would say leave it restricted.

All the best

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PostPosted: 20:21 - 29 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

33bhp isn't dangerous at all, it's your poor sense of judgement (if you find yourself in those situations which you mentioned). 33bhp does let you hone your 'skills' although I certainly didn't stick to the restriction myself.

One thing is puzzling me though: Why on earth do you want to tour the Uk? You're down south, it's only a 1hr boat trip to some good weather, nice ladies and even nicer roads.

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PostPosted: 20:38 - 29 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you think touring is all about getting the miles over and done with as fast as possible, then derestrict it. Personally, I like being able to take in the scenery.
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 29 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

instigator wrote:
One thing is puzzling me though: Why on earth do you want to tour the Uk? You're down south, it's only a 1hr boat trip to some good weather, nice ladies and even nicer roads.

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Money, orginally it was europe but with buying the bike i just couldnt strech to a europe tour. Plus ive never done more than 200miles in a day so would like to start off easy.

33bhp had helped me get used to riding again but now its just hindering me. I agree that sometimes it can be poor judgement but after about 80 the difference in acceleration is quite a lot.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 29 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy C wrote:
instigator wrote:
One thing is puzzling me though: Why on earth do you want to tour the Uk? You're down south, it's only a 1hr boat trip to some good weather, nice ladies and even nicer roads.

Wink


Money, orginally it was europe but with buying the bike i just couldnt strech to a europe tour. Plus ive never done more than 200miles in a day so would like to start off easy.

33bhp had helped me get used to riding again but now its just hindering me. I agree that sometimes it can be poor judgement but after about 80 the difference in acceleration is quite a lot.


Start off easy then...just have a small trip to normandy. You can get the bike across on the ferry, return, for anywhere between £40-60. Maybe cheaper. Chances are, you'll find cheaper accomodation over there too.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 29 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you going to be worried about getting pulled and done over the desrestriction if you get it done early?

I'd rather be riding slower but with peace of mind than fast and paranoid thats for sure Smile
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PostPosted: 06:39 - 30 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only rode at 33hp in my restriction period for about a month.

I got pulled once and that was because the bike I was riding on was registered in liverpool and the copper thought it was dodgy (I was in north yorkshire). As soon as he saw the V5 he let me go as I had just bought it. the subject of restriction was never brought up. (it was not restricted)

The other time I got pulled over was a couple of weeks ago for going perhaps slightly quicker than I should have been. Wink The subject of restriction was never brought up (however I am no longer under any sort of restriction) then also my licence was not checked either.

In all it completly depends on the copper than pulls you over.
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PostPosted: 07:51 - 30 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy C wrote:
33bhp had helped me get used to riding again but now its just hindering me. I agree that sometimes it can be poor judgement but after about 80 the difference in acceleration is quite a lot.


If you are shooting for gaps at that sort of speed then in the end bad judgement will catch you out, only needs one muppet to close the gap and you are stuffed, restriction or not... And seeing as you know what happens why are you still doing it.....

At that speed you are already a pull waiting to happen, add in no restriction and it could be a long walk home. Section 67 or not...

Touring is not about all out speed its about enjoying the route you are on. Most of the fun of touring is the actual time on the bike.
So slow down enjoy the countryside.
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PostPosted: 08:08 - 30 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

instigator wrote:
Start off easy then...just have a small trip to normandy. You can get the bike across on the ferry, return, for anywhere between £40-60. Maybe cheaper. Chances are, you'll find cheaper accomodation over there too.


I agree, you are very close to Dover. It doesn't really cost that much to go on the ferry or channel tunnel. I have just looked on-line and to use the tunnel it costs about £90 return and a quick check with sea France shows the ticket cost £74 return. These prices were for the end of August for about a week.

The roads are much better in France and mostly so is the weather I say mostly because when I coming home from Le Mans it pissed on me all the way home to Liverpool.

As regards to your restriction well its up to you I removed mine about 5 months into the restriction period. Plus I doubt the French police will know that your bike is supposed to be restricted so that will be one less thing to worry about when your aboard.
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 30 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends whether you think the fun of the extra power would outweigh the thoughts and possibility of being pulled over and large fines/lots of points imposed. Personally I'd leave it as is for the moment.
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PostPosted: 09:20 - 30 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say do it, but you would be so gutted if you got done, lost your license then had to re-do your 2 years.

Depends if you think it's worth the risk. Me personally I'd keep them in if it was only 3 months left to run........
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 30 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy C wrote:

Money, orginally it was europe but with buying the bike i just couldnt strech to a europe tour. Plus ive never done more than 200miles in a day so would like to start off easy.

33bhp had helped me get used to riding again but now its just hindering me. I agree that sometimes it can be poor judgement but after about 80 the difference in acceleration is quite a lot.


what and you think the UK is cheap? , 10-12 days in the UK you'll still be looking at about £60-120 a day all in fuel / food/ accomodation , camping reduces this by lots though , I still recomend Europe, just go on a 4AM ferry cost you nowt, go camping £12 tend in ASDA , spend £300 on fuel (right down to the south of France) , £200 on beer/food and £50 on accomodation well worth it.

with camping you don't have to rush everywhere , as I did ie sit at high speed everywhere,
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 30 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm well it seems i am off the 33bhp restriction in 2 days time, my bikes have never been restricted mind, Got 3 points peeding with an average of 96.7mph the restriction was never mentioned... Dont know if a restricted bandit would do that... (2up as well)

You shouldent IMO, you kept it legal this long just stick with it, My bikes coming back from the garage tomorow and i havent ridden for over aweek now so ile have to go out for a big long ride, but with this post in mind i will be extra vigilant...
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 30 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy, Your going with ram on that SZR and i can personally vouch for it being "lacking" somewhat.

It's your call at the end of the day but as long as your aware of the implications and still feel strongly one way or the other do it and stick to it.

I tend to find when people ask these kind of questions they already have there minds made up and are going to do it anyway but are looking for justification.

Ram was talking about popping into mine as its on the way and it would be good to meet up again and even meet you for the first time.

If you want you can de restrict it at my house if you find it sluggisg on the way to mancs!

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PostPosted: 08:46 - 31 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Resurrection wrote:
Andy, Your going with ram on that SZR and i can personally vouch for it being "lacking" somewhat.

It's your call at the end of the day but as long as your aware of the implications and still feel strongly one way or the other do it and stick to it.


Yea, this is a good point and compared to EVERY other 33bhp bike i rode with its faster so not as bad just get quite bored sometime.

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Ram was talking about popping into mine as its on the way and it would be good to meet up again and even meet you for the first time.


Yea man, we spoke about this the other night when i was ordering all my luggage stuff. Def be a plan esp if we can go for a few sneaky beers :uyp:

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If you want you can de restrict it at my house if you find it sluggisg on the way to mancs!


Yea man, that sounds a plan. I have the one screw they changed for £90 Sad. You ever done a FI bike before?

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PostPosted: 09:00 - 31 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah done an R6 not that long ago, maybe a 54 reg??

Defo FI and defo restricted, restrictors underneath the airbox and a throttle stop so the butterfly couldn't open fully.

I'll have a look how easily yours is done!

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PostPosted: 09:04 - 31 Jul 2007    Post subject: Re: Touring and restriction with hardly any time left to go? Reply with quote

Andy C wrote:

What i would like to know, if you were in my shoes and you were really bored off the power would you de-33bhp 2-3weeks before going? Im just scared it will ruin my trip though boredom



Everyone else has pretty much said what I am thinking here, but I'll add in my Penny Coin Penny Coin anyway......

If you really think that you will get "bored" riding a bike that even when restricted should be able to reach 100+ mph perhaps you should knock touring on the head and spend your money on a couple of trackdays instead?

Personally I wouldn't (and in fact didn't) remove the restrictors because as someone else said earlier on I am the sort of person that would get pulled.

I can kind of understand where you are coming from though because you have had the extra power before and probably notice the difference more than someone who has only ever ridden smaller or restricted bikes.

I think you've already decided too, and somehow I suspect that even if those washers are in when you set off they won't be by the time you get home.
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 31 Jul 2007    Post subject: Re: Touring and restriction with hardly any time left to go? Reply with quote

babyyam wrote:
If you really think that you will get "bored" riding a bike that even when restricted should be able to reach 100+ mph perhaps you should knock touring on the head and spend your money on a couple of trackdays instead?


Yea, i mean ive seen 119mph out of the 'Four which tells me two things.
Arrow That's more than enough for UK roads
Arrow Its highly unlikely it really 33bhp, more 35-40bhp maybe?

babyyam wrote:
Personally I wouldn't (and in fact didn't) remove the restrictors because as someone else said earlier on I am the sort of person that would get pulled.


Thats the thing, it doesnt help that i rode so many miles and didnt get pulled. Sometime doing speeds way more than a 33bhp bike would allow.

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I think you've already decided too, and somehow I suspect that even if those washers are in when you set off they won't be by the time you get home.


Yea, i think ill keep them in and see in mancs. I also think the problem is i had a VERY off week this week and lost interest in the bike (and most other things, felt like crap!). But last night after work took a 20-30mile detour home and relised that i should be able to survive on 33bhp for time being. Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 09:29 - 31 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you actually want to go *touring* then up the mileage allowance (cos 1000 - 1500 will do cock all in the UK), leave the restrictors in and head for the top of Scotland. You won't need the extra power cos there are so many corners that you'll be too busy enjoying the ride. And in the odd moments when you might want to go a bit faster (though it's a naked bike, how quick do you want to go?) just chill out and admire the view. Job done.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 31 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The speed four requires you to replace the standard throttle stop on the end of the butterfly valve shaft in order to restrict it.

If you wish to reverse the procedure, you'll need to have the original part from Triumph. The only way to get that part from Triumph is to show them your full (non 33bhp) license.

Of course, you could get a mate to do it, but its still a lot of hassle. And to be fair if you are misjudging gaps in traffic and you've crashed a full power SV, I wouldn't risk it. The step up from 33bhp to 100bhp is quite large, and I wouldn't want to see you have another accident.
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 31 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see why you would have a problem with 33bhp.

When I was restricted it would easily get up to about 92mph any more and your in ban territory anyway.
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