Honda's overpriced?

[JAMSXR]

Got nothing against them, if i could have any new litre bike it would be the Blade. But when looking second hand honda's are always the most expensive compared to simular bikes. People say thay hold their value well but its not really true because you usually pay more for one anyway. Im looking into a liter bike and for the money (4.5k) your looking at a 00/03 Blade or an 03/04 GSXR, and the GSXR is alot more bike for the money!
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[Runaway987]

Honda has legendary build quality and reliability throughout which is why they hold moer money over time.

This is at least the line that goes through the mill.

[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

Stuff's worth what people are willing to pay for it. Honda's have a reputation above all other jap manufacturers of being well screwed together, built and reliable.
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[Rookie]

Nothing (with exceptions like an Enzo) holds its value from new. Wheel it out of the showroom, kiss goodbye to a lot of money. Hondas hold their value well on the used market, so if you buy used, and sell it later, you won't lose too much money on the bike in the process. They are more expensive to buy but they're also more valuable to sell, so it really comes down to whether you're willing to put up the extra capital.

[G]

The early GSXR Thou's seem to hold their value quite well (though oddly, the slightly later ones not so well, it seems), as well I'd say - part of it is that there seems to be less high mileage litre bikes compared to 600s.

Suspect more the people that buy litre bikes are more likely to be getting it for the status/Sunday toy, rather than as the only mode of transportation, which is often the case for 600cc bikes.

[JAMSXR]

Just seems wierd that people wpuld pay more for a Honda, i know they have a good rep but the build quality is no better than any other jap bike. Infact i have heard people say the CBR's in recent years has been shite.
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[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

[JAMSXR]

Having owed a K4 GSXR and an 05 636 i can say the build quality is very good on both but i know of 2 people with 05 CBR's who were very dissaponted with with the quality.
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[Wave2k]

Overpriced and overrated, shocking build quality on the new ones, no better than any other jap manufactuer these days, and ive been round a few .
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[qthetape]

hondas are a nightmare

overpriced, terrible to work on, such small tolerences with valves etc, obscure plugs and headlights.... not many last

they are just normally quick at getting new technology on the road after the embarrasment of the fzr deltabox frame in the 80's

[crm250]

wave is right, i bought a new 06 plate 600rr and its not great tbh.
bought it to keep the miles of the other stuff, and it looks impressive, under the skin the quality isnt in the same league of days gone by, loom is tidy and its well thought out for sure, plastics do have a certain quality feel to them, but it only took 100 miles before the clutch basket bearing started rumbling (for gods sake after 15 years can they not sort this)
I am not saying the CBR is a bad bike, but its bland to ride, it offers no soul compared to say the GSXR or ZX6, on the upside around here the GSXR seems to attract a certain mentality of rider which the honda doesnt.
For me i think honda lost the plot a bit after 1992 / 3 era, the little NC30 is built to last hence after so many hamfisted owners and crashes they are still going strong, the RVF is not quite built with the same attn to detail or quality, and believe me quality matters. the RC30 is like you wouldnt believe. it all fits well and still looks good after all these winters being ridden and all those miles and still feels far fresher and more exciting than any new 600.
Simply put, i wouldnt buy a new honda, saying that i wouldnt buy a new bike from any of the big four again. Ducati is the only brand i still feel loyal to even after the jip over the years i have had with my ageing 916. nothing like pushing a bike for a bit to make you gell with something.

[Ace Biker]

i got a '96 RVF and i wouldn't say the build is that hot. Got all fairings held together with cable ties, tail piece is falling to bits, due to the previous retards that owned it (as you gotta stretch it to take it off).

last couple of months,t.he fuel tap f*cked up, ignition wire fell off. had to replace the retifier,

f*cking thing trys to starts itself as well, as the starter relay has melted into a mush from the heat of the frame or it doesn't start !!! then i gotta take the whole f*cking tail piece off....

And i just shelled out for new fork seals and tyres...

And it overheats like a c*nt... when i pull up anywhere, she starts pissing and farting water and steam through the overflow.

i'd sell the f*cker but for it being a v4 which is getting pretty rare these days.
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[mark83]

Ive got a CBR 600 RR and I'm shocked at the build quality. The screws are all plastic, and you can never screw them back in.

Thanks to my Ducati dealers (Red Dog) who replaced them with proper bolts and screws - even though I didn't ask for it!

I doubt Honda will retain me as a customer....
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[andrea]

Ive got an older blade (1995), build quality is excellent... Go for an older one more character

[Valver]

At what point did Honda build quality go tits up?

I bought a 2001 CBR600F back in the day, within a week the paint was all dulled on the tank and when I tried to adjust one of the mirrors it broke of in my hand. I washed my hands of Honda after that until I bought another NC30 recently. All the earlier Hondas I've owned were fantastic for 10-20year old bikes.

[mark83]

[the grim reaper]

Jees, how can you blame the hand fisted-ness of previous owners on a manufacturer? I've worked on all makes of bikes for years and I honestly believe that build quality is on the decline in general. If you want someone to blame, look no further than us, the consumers. If we didn't want tomorrows technology yesterday, these bikes would spend a lot longer in R&D and some of the gremlins might not surface. It's no co-incidence that there have been loads of recalls in recent years.

FWIW, my opinion is that Honda do have the best built quality, although all the manufacturers have things they do well and badly. Honda reg/recs are crap, as is their ability to write a fuelling map. Yamahas drink oil because their oil save piston rings never seem to match the bores properly. Suzuki have paint and plastic issues and Kwak are similar.

Don't judge a manufacturer by one second hand bike though, that's just stupid.

Cheers

Grim
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[crm250]

tell you who's quality has come on leaps and bounds - ducati.
ok dont look too closely at the 1098, but the 999 is a well screwed together bit of kit.
and yes honda are still the best even now, but they are certainly made to a budget as rightly said the consumer demands.