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killa
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Guns Reply with quote

As the title says really....

I was going to start this the other week after Stinks, Swords, thread which was very interesting.

I'm not sure about all the technicalities of most guns, but i know what i like from either films, games or documentarys.


The Luger

An awesome pistol, just for the history really.

In service since the early 1900 i think, and apparently able to be used (if well maintained) for 100 years! lol

And if you really need to kill things.....

The artillery Luger

Or Red 9, if your a resident evil fan Wink Thumbs Up

The M16

What an ace weapon, an old skool design, accurate, reliable, lightweight and with a grenade attachment has to be one of the best rifles of all time. I am of course talking about any game with it in, or film.

Sounds nasty to Twisted Evil

You've got a building with multiple enimies inside, your pissed, you need.....

The Uzi

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If you have any interesting facts or stories about the above guns, go for it...i only know what i know through books and stuff.

I have my personal favs, these above are wicked....i like the MP5 for the usage, the M60 (belt fed i think) for the damage, desert eagle for the stupidity factor....and not forgetting the mini gun.
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

M107 Long Range Sniper Rifle, Barrett .50 M107.

Not a fan of guns but i did see this beast in the film Smokin' Aces & it is indeed a beast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M107_Long_Range_Sniper_Rifle

Desert Eagle

Like it says, it's a popular choice in video games & judging from what i've seen of em, they're bloody powerful for a pistol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Eagle

I'm set. Smile
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baretta M92FS

https://www.modelguns.co.uk/images/berettadt1.jpg

The sig 552

https://www.airsoft-lamancha.com/shop/images/sig552_1024.jpg

the M14

https://www.combatcentral.co.uk/Images/armoury/products/tokyo%20marui/m14.gif

an M4

https://www.fire-support.co.uk/store/catalog/GP-AEG-gp285.jpg

And best fictional gun, The M41A pulse rifle out of Aliens

https://www.fire-support.co.uk/store/catalog/GP-ACC-GP132B.jpg
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Barrett for the combination of accuracy and stopping power.

The XM8 for some futuristic development

...but IMO the "computer room" scene in Rambo, where he uses the M60 single handed has got to be one of the best gun scenes in Hollywood
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Re: Guns Reply with quote

killa wrote:

M16
What an ace weapon, an old skool design, accurate, reliable, lightweight and with a grenade attachment has to be one of the best rifles of all time. I am of course talking about any game with it in, or film.


Okay your a pleb. Sorry to say but it is true. Laughing . The M16 is accurate i admit. But! Hell no is it reliable! The mechanisms inside it are very complicated, and as soon as you get dust in it or it jams, you'll be spending alot of alone time with it. Razz .

Best guns of all time in my opinion.

The Ak47!
Nice retro gun. Extremely powerful, not to accurate and it looks awesome.

The RPK
Just amazing... The LMG form of the AK, looks mint, 600 round/min plus I like it on Battlefield 2 Mr. Green .

The SA80(L85A1)
Don't have to say a thing about this gun its that good. (Psst it's ultra-awesome!)

The L86 LSW.
LSW (Light support weapon) form of the L85A1, again nothing else to because it's a form of the L85.

Last but not least...
The L96 and any other forms of this gun.
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dragunov SVD.

Blindingly accurate, powerful and the worlds first purpose-built marksman's rifle.

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PostPosted: 17:01 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Re: Guns Reply with quote

Chaotic wrote:
Okay your a pleb. Sorry to say but it is true. Laughing . The M16 is accurate i admit. But! Hell no is it reliable! The mechanisms inside it are very complicated, and as soon as you get dust in it or it jams, you'll be spending alot of alone time with it. Razz ....


I seem to remember reading a number of Vietnam vet accounts of dead American GI's being found next to a jammed M16.
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Re: Guns Reply with quote

Chaotic wrote:


The SA80(L85A1)
Don't have to say a thing about this gun its that good. (Psst it's ultra-awesome!)



Try shooting on left handed and then tell me its awesome. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maschinengewehr 42, or MG42. 1200 rounds per minute and one of the best looking guns ever made. One day I will have one, it's just a shame that they are going for around £800 at the minute.

https://www.taivaansusi.net/roolipelit/mg-42.jpg
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugger, forgot the Sturmgewehr 44 (MP44, StG44). The worlds first Assault Rifle and the basis for the AK47.

https://www.mp44.nl/images/mp44.jpg
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got to be the M85, for sheer accuracy and simplicity. Not one has failed in the feild since its release.

https://www.weekendhobby.com/gun/webboard/picture%5C2512254920000.jpg

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/m-82_020614_06.jpg
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Re: Guns Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Try shooting on left handed and then tell me its awesome. Rolling Eyes


Lol! Why do you think they teach lefties to shoot right handed in the forces?
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Re: Guns Reply with quote

Chaotic wrote:
Okay your a pleb. Sorry to say but it is true.


No, you are the pleb, for using the word...

Chaotic wrote:
Ultra-awesome!


Makes me think you could take on the name Ultra pleb
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watched a documentary on the M16/M4 many years ago. Discussed how horrendously unreliable it was due to the complexity and vulnerability of the firing mechanism. By comparison the AK47 was virtually indestructible with a very simple mechanism.

British issue L98/SA80s are prone to just as many problems as the M16, I had plenty of jams while cocking them, and that was just sitting at a firing range and poncing about on training excercises. I can't imagine having to rely on one when you're in sandstorms, muddy bogs and watnot.

And as sickpup says, if you're left handed/eyed then you've got no option but to shoot it right handed unless you wanna get slammed in the face by the bolt (on the LSW) or hit with the empty cartridge, never heard of them fitting deflectors for the spent rounds. Least on the M16 the cocking lever is on top of the gun.
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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“AK 47…the very best there is. When you absolutely, positively have to kill every mutherf—ker in the room. Accept no substitutes.”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHvAfTU2haE

Laughing

Definately among my favourites, and probly the first gun i learnt to recognise the shape of, says a lot about its worldwide reputation, your mum probly knows what an AK47 is.

Honourable mention to the FAMAS, it looks so damn cool that when I first came across it, all those years ago just after the release of Metal Gear Solid, i actually thought it was fictional Shocked This is maybe what the SA80 should have been, but I'm a big fan of our attempt all the same.

Another favourite would be the M14, I have always liked the M1 Garand, and the idea of a perfectly engineered version, is something of interest, just a shame it took them so long to get round to sorting it out, that it was out of date before it even came to fruition. If I ever get round to buying myself an Airsoft rifle, it will probably be an M14.

If I wanted a gun to hang on my wall, then it would probably be a SMLE Lee Enfield, from ye olde days, as I think they are particularly nicely put together.

Final mention to the old Sterling L2A3, with the option of a silenced version. A proper British stiff upper lip SMG, that looked like it would be far too easy to jam your fingers in every possible part of it. Very business-like look about it.
Apparently was kept in use until the early 90's!
https://world.guns.ru/smg/sterling02.jpg
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Re: Guns Reply with quote

AK47 for teh win. It's decades old, has survived countless tests on battlefields across just about every continent in every condition and is dirt cheap.

Chaotic wrote:

The SA80(L85A1)
Don't have to say a thing about this gun its that good. (Psst it's ultra-awesome!)

The L86 LSW.
LSW (Light support weapon) form of the L85A1, again nothing else to because it's a form of the L85.


You are kidding?

I can only assume you've never spent much time with either. Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The L85A1 is utter pish. I defy you to pick one up, attach a 30 round clip to it and fire the whole thing on semi-auto without a stoppage. They are overly complex and fragile for an infantry weapon and were made on the cheap. I believe the A2 is improved somewhat.

The LSW is more of the same but is doubly pish because it doesn't carry out the role it was designed for. It is supposed to be a platoon level heavy support weapon. Overwhelming supressing fire with a 30 round clip of 5.56mm? Do me a favour. You want someone to keep their head down, get yourself a GPMG that the LSW was supposed to replace and start spraying overlapping fields of 7.62 on a fixed traverse. Getting too hot? Change the barrel and keep at it.

So my first pick is the GPMG because it does exactly what it says on the tin. With 300 rounds. LOAD. Make ready. 600 yards, automatic fire, at the area to your front... In your own time... carry on.
https://www.eliteukforces.info/images/weapons/gpmg.gif

For a design oddity, the FN PS90.
https://www.lesjones.com/www/images/posts/fn_p90_2.jpg

Target/sniper rifle? Druganov SVD. Refined AK47 firing mechanism, decent barrel, 10 shot semi-auto and 7.62mm.
https://www.dragunov.net/svd/svdwbipod1_sm.jpg
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh I could go on for hours and hours about guns.

But if I was to choose just one.

m1911a1 a design which is close to being used for over 100 years, modern 1911 designs are the gunsmiths choice in a firearm when it comes to making a show piece, they look amazing done up, I need say no more.

https://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6994/m1911pistolussmalliq6.jpg
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^ totally agree.

like the gold ones out of face off, and in the game hitman, with custom grips.


also like the USP and the socom variant.
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

palmer wrote:

also like the USP and the socom variant.


In all fairness the Germans have always had the better firearms Laughing

Castor Troy's guns were a set of Springfield Armory 1911's customized, man I would love them Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have worked all over the uncivilised world, mostly Africa and the Middle East. During my time in these holes I have had to carry various weapons, M16, South African Uzi copie, AK47, various 9mm pistols and other stuff,
I hate guns, I have seen what they do to people, no glamour in them at all. They are made for one reason alone, ripping people to shreds and that aint nice.
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahhh, this thread is a good place to ask. Can someone explain to me the general male obsession with guns? I don't get it! My BF will happily sit and watch stuff like 'Future Weapons' on Discovery or whatever, whereas I just don't see the appeal. I know they're ingeniously made.... but they're made to inflict pain and death.
I went through a phase when I was a 1st-2nd year film student when I thought guns were cool (which is unusual for a girl!) but I grew out of that pretty quickly, plus I think some of the appeal was that let's face it, I was a student film maker! Tarantino!

I'm with 1930 Ariel (though with no 1st hand experience), I just don't get the huge appeal. Can someone enlighten me? Confused
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

The LSW is more of the same but is doubly pish because it doesn't carry out the role it was designed for. It is supposed to be a platoon level heavy support weapon.


Erm, no it is meant to be an LSW.. the name kind of gives it away.

killa wrote:
Makes me think you could take on the name Ultra pleb


At least I don't think the M16 is a good gun Laughing . Plus it was the first word that came to my head, i'd just watched Yu-gi-oh the abridged series Razz .

Silver wrote:
You are kidding? I can only assume you've never spent much time with either. Laughing


I have spent time with them and I intent to use them during my time with the RAF Reg. When i'm eighteen.

izzi81 wrote:
I just don't get the huge appeal. Can someone enlighten me? Confused


Erm.. we would have terrorists and such like ruling our nation if we didn't have them. Plus the huge appeal is because.. well it's just one of them things Laughing .
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish I knew.

I just like them cos some of them are pretty.
Dunno about the technical stuff at all.

Bit like bikes really, only I've ridden plenty of bikes, but never shot a gun (except a paintball thing at the London Soldier weekend last year) Rolling Eyes

They're just ... "interesting" - like great white sharks, or snakes: deadly, but fascinating nonetheless.
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 10 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chaotic wrote:


Erm.. we would have terrorists and such like ruling our nation if we didn't have them. Plus the huge appeal is because.. well it's just one of them things Laughing .


As the mong said.
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