Resend my activation email : Register : Log in 
BCF: Bike Chat Forums


Hypothetical Question - Speeding in middle lane?

Reply to topic
Bike Chat Forums Index -> General Bike Chat Goto page 1, 2  Next
View previous topic : View next topic  
Author Message

Barker-CBR 600
Could Be A Chat Bot



Joined: 20 Nov 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 17:18 - 16 Sep 2007    Post subject: Hypothetical Question - Speeding in middle lane? Reply with quote

Having done a stupid amount of motorway miles recently (zzzzz) i was wandering the other day while i was pootling along at 85, which is illegal technically but people were overtaking me in the fast lane.

If you are in the process of being pulled over (flashy blue lights behind you as you prepare to put on your best 'sorry' face) and someone else speeds past clearly speeding is the police officer obliged to try and stop that person or is it personal choice or are they not supposed to abandon the process of pulling you over?

Heard stories of bikers being pulled in the middle lane with cars overtaking in the fast lane, usually unmarked police cars since people arent stupid enough to bomb it past a marked traffic car.

Anyone know the official line on this?

Anyone had it happen?
____________________
Previous - Gilera DNA50 / XVS125 Dragstar/Honda CBR 600F/GSF 650 Bandit
Current - 2013 Suzuki VZ800 Intruder
'Is this a rhetorical question?'
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

TheShaggyDA
Repost Police



Joined: 14 Jun 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 17:28 - 16 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my yoof I tried the "but what about them, they're going much faster than I was" to which the answer is "We'll get them next time".
____________________
Current: CB500 Previous: CB100N, CB250RS, XJ900F, GT550, GPZ750R/1000RX, AJS M16, R100RT, Enfield Bullet

[i:6e3bfc7581]But still I fear and still I dare not laugh at the madman...[/i:6e3bfc7581]
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

T.C
World Chat Champion



Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Karma :

PostPosted: 19:14 - 16 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

A number of points to cover.

Firstly, there is no such thing as the fast lane, there is the nearside or driving lane and then there are two overtaking lanes.

If you are sat in the middle lane and you are not overtaking another vehicle and there is little chance of you overtaking another vehicle, you leave yourself opento being reported for driving without reasonable consideration for other road users (a subsection of the careless driving offence) as well as the excess speed.

If other vehicles travel past going quicker than you are doing, it is at the discretion of the officer stopping you as to whether he lets you go or goes after the other vehicle.

There has never been any set precedents as to who must and must not be pulled over, and there are certainly no standing orders in my old force to that affect, it is entirely down to individual choice.

Had you been sat in lane 1 showing good lane discipline travelling at 85, the chances are they would not even have bothered with you. I certainly used to let bikes off at up to 90 showing good lane discipline, especially if they travelled in lane 1, then came out to lane 2 or even lane 3 and then returned to lane 1 when it was safe to do so.

any vehicle sat in lane 2 at that speed was fair game for a tug.

The crew might even have been playing a game of vehicle snooker (depending on the colour of your bike) and it just happened that your colour was next on the scorecard.
____________________
It is better to arrive 30 seconds late in this world, than 30 years early in the next
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

Finglonga
World Chat Champion



Joined: 27 Jul 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 20:47 - 16 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:


Firstly, there is no such thing as the fast lane, there is the nearside or driving lane and then there are two overtaking lanes.


Thought you said lane 3 was the BMW drivers lane? Wink Mr. Green
____________________
Andy Sez....
F.Y.Y.F.F.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Barker-CBR 600
Could Be A Chat Bot



Joined: 20 Nov 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 01:03 - 17 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vehicle snooker... that had me laughing! I am so going to get a white bike, they'll never want to get me!

Just to check T.C, wasnt actually pulled was thinking about what would happen in the event!!

And as for lane discpline, nothing pisses me off more than the M6 toll middle laners... come on... indicate left... you can do it... Mad
____________________
Previous - Gilera DNA50 / XVS125 Dragstar/Honda CBR 600F/GSF 650 Bandit
Current - 2013 Suzuki VZ800 Intruder
'Is this a rhetorical question?'
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

bazza
World Chat Champion



Joined: 27 Aug 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 06:26 - 17 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
The crew might even have been playing a game of vehicle snooker (depending on the colour of your bike)


One good reason to have a silver bike...
____________________
"That's it. You people have stood in my way long enough. I'm going to clown college."
'98 Ducati 750SS, '08 Suzuki GSX650F ©2004-2014, Bazza's Harmless Banter
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

kitty kat
World Chat Champion



Joined: 20 Jun 2007
Karma :

PostPosted: 06:36 - 17 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine is silver as well, does that mean I won't get pulled whilst out on it then? Razz

Pisses me off when people hog 2nd or 3rd lanes when they are overtaking nothing
____________________
Enjoy everyday, tell those you love everyday you love them
Life is too short to fall out with people
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Wafer_Thin_Ham
Super Spammer



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 09:53 - 17 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

kitty kat wrote:


Pisses me off when people hog 2nd or 3rd lanes when they are overtaking nothing


Ripe for the undertake then. Just check around for cars with two well dressed gents upfront and 3 aerials first. Laughing
____________________
My Flickr
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

TheShaggyDA
Repost Police



Joined: 14 Jun 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 10:11 - 17 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Just check around for cars with two well dressed gents upfront and 3 aerials first. Laughing


What, CB radio enthusiasts on their way to a convention? Smile


Been a long time since I've been pulled by an unmarked car with more than one aerial and more than one occupant.
____________________
Current: CB500 Previous: CB100N, CB250RS, XJ900F, GT550, GPZ750R/1000RX, AJS M16, R100RT, Enfield Bullet

[i:6e3bfc7581]But still I fear and still I dare not laugh at the madman...[/i:6e3bfc7581]
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

Wafer_Thin_Ham
Super Spammer



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 10:22 - 17 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheShaggyDA wrote:


What, CB radio enthusiasts on their way to a convention? Smile


Yeah. Sad Embarassed
____________________
My Flickr
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Annabella
Like a person, only smaller



Joined: 03 Feb 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 14:33 - 17 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Ripe for the undertake then.


I tend to go for the 'shot across the bows' approach. Charge up in lane 1, pull into the middle lane, then the outside lane for the overtake then straight back into lane one across the front of the offending vehicle.

Drivers sitting in the middle lane oblivious to the traffic around them really wind me up. Evil or Very Mad
____________________
Avast! Pirates ahoy!
I did Cadwell! Very Happy
www.bikepics.com/members/bella
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

T.C
World Chat Champion



Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Karma :

PostPosted: 19:09 - 17 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
kitty kat wrote:


Pisses me off when people hog 2nd or 3rd lanes when they are overtaking nothing


Ripe for the undertake then. Just check around for cars with two well dressed gents upfront and 3 aerials first. Laughing


Whether they were there or not, it would be a perfectly legal manouevre! Very Happy
____________________
It is better to arrive 30 seconds late in this world, than 30 years early in the next
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

Kickstart
The Oracle



Joined: 04 Feb 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 19:15 - 17 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
Whether they were there or not, it would be a perfectly legal manouevre! Very Happy


You assume he isn't just a slightly faster member of the centre lane owners club, so intending to dive into the left hand lane to undertake Wink .

All the best

Keith
____________________
Traxpics, track day and racing photographs - Bimota Forum - Bike performance / thrust graphs for choosing gearing
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

saya88
Two Stroke Sniffer



Joined: 14 Aug 2006
Karma :

PostPosted: 19:45 - 17 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
A number of points to cover.

Firstly, there is no such thing as the fast lane, there is the nearside or driving lane and then there are two overtaking lanes.

If you are sat in the middle lane and you are not overtaking another vehicle and there is little chance of you overtaking another vehicle, you leave yourself opento being reported for driving without reasonable consideration for other road users (a subsection of the careless driving offence) as well as the excess speed.

If other vehicles travel past going quicker than you are doing, it is at the discretion of the officer stopping you as to whether he lets you go or goes after the other vehicle.

There has never been any set precedents as to who must and must not be pulled over, and there are certainly no standing orders in my old force to that affect, it is entirely down to individual choice.

Had you been sat in lane 1 showing good lane discipline travelling at 85, the chances are they would not even have bothered with you. I certainly used to let bikes off at up to 90 showing good lane discipline, especially if they travelled in lane 1, then came out to lane 2 or even lane 3 and then returned to lane 1 when it was safe to do so.

any vehicle sat in lane 2 at that speed was fair game for a tug.

The crew might even have been playing a game of vehicle snooker (depending on the colour of your bike) and it just happened that your colour was next on the scorecard.



WELL ITS A PITY
that even after a biker driving so safe he is just pulled over because 50's were more intrested playing a game
____________________
Life is a game u get only one chance to play (Honda CG125,Honda CD200,Kawasaki KE175,Kawsaki GTO125 and now Kawasaki ZX6 R current suzuki GSX-R 750)
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Ichy
World Chat Champion



Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 20:46 - 17 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Just check around for cars with two well dressed gents upfront and 3 aerials first. Laughing


Last couple of unmarked cars I saw were both Volvo S60's. Neither had any aerials and both only had a driver.

Unmarked cars tend not to have any dealer stickers on them and no supplier name on the number plate.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Shay HTFC
World Chat Champion



Joined: 18 Mar 2007
Karma :

PostPosted: 20:59 - 17 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

bazza wrote:
T.C wrote:
The crew might even have been playing a game of vehicle snooker (depending on the colour of your bike)


One good reason to have a silver bike...


And another fucking good reason not to have a pink bike!!
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

stinkwheel
Bovine Proctologist



Joined: 12 Jul 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 22:19 - 17 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:

Whether they were there or not, it would be a perfectly legal manouevre! Very Happy


Really?

I was always under the impression that nipping up the inside left you wide open for a charge of driving without due care and attention should the boys in blue catch you at it. If it wasn't, my regular trips down the A1 to visit my GF would be considerably shorter.

Having waited what I consider a reasonable length of time behind someone who is lane hogging, I usually opt for the 'forcing them out of the way' approach, which is risky (do what I say, not what I do kids!). Even then, a lot of them try to pull only halfway across into the next lane, I just keep on coming until they've pulled over properly though. It's called 'road presence'.
____________________
“Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

MoshizZ
Could Be A Chat Bot



Joined: 10 Mar 2007
Karma :

PostPosted: 08:58 - 18 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

My bikes red so im buggered.

Anyway.

I dont think they 'should' pull you because your 'just keeping the traffic moving'.

If im on a 30mph road and theres cars infront doing 40mph, im going to keep up with them to keep the cars behind me from moaning, if you get me? Whereas my grandad would be doing 28mph all the way Thumbs Down

Its a tricky question.
____________________
half_lyfe wrote: my helmet is still wet...
quacker_boy wrote: he ended up missing my mouth and shot it straight into my eye. Yup, went in her eye as well!
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

T.C
World Chat Champion



Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Karma :

PostPosted: 18:25 - 18 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
T.C wrote:

Whether they were there or not, it would be a perfectly legal manouevre! Very Happy


Really?

I was always under the impression that nipping up the inside left you wide open for a charge of driving without due care and attention should the boys in blue catch you at it. .


As I have explained in the past the specific offence of nearside overtake was removed when the 1972 Road traffic Act was introduced and put it all under the banner of careless driving which is a section 3 offence under the act.

To prove that offence, it has to be shown that the level of riding or driving fell well below that which would be expected from a reasonably competent driver and rider, and providing the rider or driver maintains a fairly consistant speed, does not cause other traffic to alter course of speed (even though the middle lane hoggers are in the wrong), and no collision occurs, then no offence will be committed.

I did it this afternoon in the car. Vehicle sat in lane 2, Police car following behind me, I continued in lane 1 and carried out a nearside overtake Very Happy Not even a suggestion of being pulled, although the car was manned by a crew that I trained many years ago Embarassed Rolling Eyes Wink
____________________
It is better to arrive 30 seconds late in this world, than 30 years early in the next
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

mistergixer
World Chat Champion



Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 18:47 - 18 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Music to my ears!
I spend a lot of time going up and down the M1 in my car for work, i'm fed up of having to move from the inside lane right the way to the outside lane, and then back to the inside lane again - just to overtake someone who doesn't understand how motorways work!
Evil or Very Mad
There is talk of dedicating one of the lanes of my local stretch of M1 to HOV (high occupancy vehicles) only - i read today that around 50% of the traffic occupies the outside lane, and only around 15% use the inside lane (the majority of which is HGV etc).
I firmly believe that motorway use should be part of the driving/riding test, perhaps with better education the traffic would be a lot more free flowing and there would be a few less accidents - come on ffs, how do you crash on a motorway? It's the simplest form of driving; all the traffic going the same way (except for the M4 in Wales Embarassed ), all junctions on the left etc etc. If you cause a crash on a motorway it's generally for one of 2 reasons: insufficient distance from the car in front or poor observation during lane changes.
Twats.
____________________
Space Monkey #7
Don Eladio is dead. His capos are dead. You have no one left to fight for. Fill your pockets and leave in peace. Or fight me and die!
Mistergixer's videos on YouTube
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

iooi
Super Spammer



Joined: 14 Jan 2007
Karma :

PostPosted: 20:25 - 18 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
I did it this afternoon in the car. Vehicle sat in lane 2, Police car following behind me, I continued in lane 1 and carried out a nearside overtake Very Happy Not even a suggestion of being pulled, although the car was manned by a crew that I trained many years ago Embarassed Rolling Eyes Wink


Well that is safe, its the shooting from RH lane to LH lane to pass the slow cars and back out again, that would warrent a pull.

Middle lane stickers does make you wonder if the Yankie overtake on anyside would work.... Or be a nightmare...
____________________
Just because my bike was A DIVVY, does not mean i am......
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Faldo
World Chat Champion



Joined: 05 Aug 2007
Karma :

PostPosted: 22:56 - 18 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice one T.C, you've made my day.

I always sit behind a lane hogger for about 30 secs, perhaps do a little weave so my lights definitely catch their mirrors, then if they still insist on staying in the lane dive up the inside, rejoin their lane and flash my left indicator a couple of times.

Always felt a bit guilty of undertaking as I too thought I could get done for it.

It is annoying when in a car though and there's two outer lanes doing 50 mph and nothing in the left lane for literally a mile. Worst is when lane hoggers flash at you when you come back into their lane, even though you're at least 20 mph faster than them and they wouldn't of overtaken anything for like another 5 mins anyway. Makes my blood boil when they have a go, even though it's obvious that their driving is shite! Evil or Very Mad

This adds fuel to my belief that before being allowed to drive on a motorway, you should have to take a further test. After all, L plates ain't allowed on the motorway and some people just don't have the natural intelligence to work out good motorway etiquette.

I've heard that lane discipline is much better on the continent. Why is this ? Can we not use the same solution of education in the UK?
____________________
Current: ZZR1400
Previous: ZXR 400 L9, ZX-7R P5, ZZR 400, ZX-7R P6, Bandit 600, GSXR 750 Slingshot, DRZ400, DR650, ZX10R C1H, ZXR 750 L1, ZXR 750 L3, '99 ZX7R P4, KTM 300 EXC, ZX-9R E1, TDM850
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Kickstart
The Oracle



Joined: 04 Feb 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 23:02 - 18 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

yellowninja wrote:
I've heard that lane discipline is much better on the continent. Why is this ? Can we not use the same solution of education in the UK?


In France the lane hoggers get treated to serious tail gating accompanied by full beam headlights and l/h indicators on.

All the best

Keith
____________________
Traxpics, track day and racing photographs - Bimota Forum - Bike performance / thrust graphs for choosing gearing
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

AngelGrinder
World Chat Champion



Joined: 09 Jun 2007
Karma :

PostPosted: 23:07 - 18 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
yellowninja wrote:
I've heard that lane discipline is much better on the continent. Why is this ? Can we not use the same solution of education in the UK?


In France the lane hoggers get treated to serious tail gating accompanied by full beam headlights and l/h indicators on.

All the best

Keith


Recently went to France and noticed this indictating into a non-existing lane to signal person in front they want to go round.

Though this was brilliant, as was not agressive or intimidating, and now use it when needed rather than flashing!
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Faldo
World Chat Champion



Joined: 05 Aug 2007
Karma :

PostPosted: 23:08 - 18 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:


In France the lane hoggers get treated to serious tail gating accompanied by full beam headlights and l/h indicators on.


Tried that solution, I just look just as much of cnut as the lane hogger though. Mr. Green

Don't suppose the French mind looking like cnuts though! Laughing

Perhaps instead of giving dibble radar guns we should give them proper guns and they should "Take out" any lane hoggers. Razz

:Thinks of starting a petition on that annoying Downing St website:
____________________
Current: ZZR1400
Previous: ZXR 400 L9, ZX-7R P5, ZZR 400, ZX-7R P6, Bandit 600, GSXR 750 Slingshot, DRZ400, DR650, ZX10R C1H, ZXR 750 L1, ZXR 750 L3, '99 ZX7R P4, KTM 300 EXC, ZX-9R E1, TDM850
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts
Old Thread Alert!

The last post was made 18 years, 172 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful?
  Display posts from previous:   
This page may contain affiliate links, which means we may earn a small commission if a visitor clicks through and makes a purchase. By clicking on an affiliate link, you accept that third-party cookies will be set.

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Bike Chat Forums Index -> General Bike Chat All times are GMT
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum

Read the Terms of Use! - Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group
 

Debug Mode: ON - Server: birks (www) - Page Generation Time: 0.13 Sec - Server Load: 0.45 - MySQL Queries: 13 - Page Size: 143.56 Kb