PCSOs who stood by as a 10-year-old boy drowned

[powelly]

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7006412.stm

[Itchy]

Zilch they are pretend police, they walk around with a huge police sticker on their day glo jackets with tiny letters under neath saying CSO,

they are supposed to make people feel as if there are more police on the beat ,

Infact I remember back in the 90s around 94-95>? when police instead of using real police landrover they stuck cardboard cut outs of police landrovers at the side of the road and moved them about every few days, same principle.

But this also has the 'benefit' of a job creation scheme dressed up as more police
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[instigator]

To me, it matters not that they were PCSO's but they were members of the community and they stood by as a human being, a kid an all, drowned. If they couldn't swim then perhaps I might not be so pissed. It says they didn't see the kid but surely they would have beleived the situation that was unfolding infront of them I hope they sleep well at night.

[powelly]

[veeeffarr]

The fact that they are PCSO's is barely relevant

What human being wouldn't jump in to save someone drowning? That just defies belief!

Why are people so reluctant to just fucking do something now? Wonder if they needed training to get dressed in the fucking morning?

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[Louise]

I can see what your saying and yes Id be pretty pissed if I saw that.
But AFAIK for instance the fireservice cannot touch water without a life jacket. Its against the rules - Maybe this applies to the police.
But then again, its down to the individual.
In my case I would of jumped in to help regardless.

[veeeffarr]

[lllN30lll]

Maybe the PCSO couldn't swim?
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[Louise]

No I wouldnt Toby im just stating what I know.
They were both in the wrong for not helping and should be named and should of shown up in court to give there reasoning why they didnt act apon it.

Just read the BBC news site which mentions

[veeeffarr]

They're talking about it on VD as well, apparenly PCSO's get £24,000 PA.

[Louise]

Normally its 16k to start but London get around the 24k

[Harold_Shand]

Not trained to jump in and save a life? What a pair of wankers. I hope that boy haunts them for the rest of their useless, spineless lives.

I just don't get PCSO's. What use were they in that situation? If there had been two passing 'little bit waaaaay, little bit woooo' white van men passing, you can fucking guarantee at least one of them would have gone in to help. A criminal would have been more use on that scene.

Like them or not, Coppers have got BALLS, PCSO's have got nothing but an eye on their payslip. This shows they don't give a fuck about the communities they are supposedly helping. I find myself completely fucking outraged again. What a pair of cunts.

[Dom_]

[growler]

I agree with all that is said here PCSOs are a waste of time they have no more authority than a security officer and guess what security officers have no more authority than a member of the public!

In Coventry they are known as Plastic Police

as for training I'm sure the POLICE officer that arrived on scene was not trained to remove his stab vest and jump straight in to pull the lad out He just did because that is what needed doing

Such a sad situation and yes I hope the PCSOs involved can sleep at night not! and well done to the PC that went in shame he was too late
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[Barry_M2]

Didn't see this thread about the subject and started my own! Oops!

I'm f**king discusted by the pair of them!
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[mattjs895]

but not trying to stick up for the pcso's or the police, but where was the mother, and why would you let your children play around near a lake unsupervised anyway

just my 2 penny's

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[Keir]

the way i read it they arrived AFTER he has drowned anyway?

"The alarm was raised and the PCSOs arrived on the scene. Police said they could see no sign of Jordon in the water, so they radioed trained officers for help. "

If im wrong then
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[gadfium]

In the interests of fairness, the child was not visible when the PCSO's attended

"Anglers managed to pull Bethany out but Jordon was out of sight before they could get to him.

The alarm was raised and the PCSOs arrived on the scene. Police said they could see no sign of Jordon in the water, so they radioed trained officers for help. "

I read that as the anglers went in after the girl-recovered her, The boy was under before the anglers could get to them. They raised the alarm, and an "officer" was on the scene in 5 minutes (which means that the boy was under water for 5 minutes- brain dead at this stage).

The step father said "Mr Ganderton told the inquest: "I don't know why they didn't go in. I can't understand it.

"If I had been walking along a canal and seen a child drowning I would have jumped in. " The point is, however, that the PCSOs were not walking along the canal and "stood by as a 10-year old boy drowned", as the post title would suggest.

I would deffo question why the 999 operative (I presume that 999 was called?) called for a PCSO...why not Fire Brigade and ambulance.

having said that, I guess that this post will turn into a FTP thread tho...

<edit> Please note that I DO NOT support PCSOs in any fashion....they are a cheap manipulative trick perpetrated by the Government to pretend that there are more Plod on the beat. In my view, only sad w*nkers that are not good enough to be proper Plod would volunteer to be a PCSO
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[st3v3]

To be honest, Whether or not he was alive when they were alerted to the matter they should have gone in and pulled him out. There's every chance he would be dead after 5 mins, There's nothing to say trying wouldn't have been of any benefit.
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[Itchy]

[Itchy]

[powelly]

[VTR SP1]

Itchy,

Stop refering to them as the fucking police. They ain't.

I am and I have pulled people out of the river on more than one occasion and so have my collegues (police), some came out dead, some alive.

Gadfium,

Do you really think the 999 call taker thought it best to send some CSO's? A job like that comes in and the police, fire and ambulance will all go. Jobs like that come over the police radio and anyone who is near by would attend. We don't just sit round and think "It's ok, a CSO is going".

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[VTR SP1]

And another thing, when I joined the police 9 years ago we all had to do a life saving course and we could not pass out from training school if we failed.

Now there is no lifesaving, training is in force, and the physical tests to get in are a joke.
If the police did get there odds are they would not have been 'trained'.

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[Silver]

Playing devil's advocate here...

I've seen an accident where everyone stood around and watched. They didn't react and they certainly didn't help. Whether it was through fear, confusion etc I can't say. What I can probably vouch for is that almost all of them, beforehand, would have claimed that they would react and help in such a situation.