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PostPosted: 17:39 - 25 Sep 2007    Post subject: Oil Change.. Quickie Reply with quote

The answer seems obvious but best to be sure

When replacing the Oil Filter durin an oil change you 'Prime' the filter first... am i correct to presume that means fill it with fresh oil?

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PostPosted: 17:42 - 25 Sep 2007    Post subject: Re: Oil Change.. Quickie Reply with quote

moonym20 wrote:
The answer seems obvious but best to be sure

When replacing the Oil Filter durin an oil change you 'Prime' the filter first... am i correct to presume that means fill it with fresh oil?

thanks Karma


I would have thought priming would have meant hitting the starter a bit to circulate oil around but not actually letting it start. I'd just bash the oil filter on without filling it with oil and fill her up and go. Has worked on my last (14) bikes. Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 25 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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it will be an arse to prime as the R6 wont turn over unless the kill switch is on meaning live plugs lol Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 25 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never filled a filter before fitting it on anything, and that's filters on anything from 125cc bikes to 16 litre trucks.
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 25 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I concur with the no filling option - I did it a couple of times, but quickly realised that most of the oil would come out as you screwed it on (being as I've never encountered a filter which is not horizontal). Therefore its pointless, messy and wasteful.
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 25 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonym20 wrote:
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it will be an arse to prime as the R6 wont turn over unless the kill switch is on meaning live plugs lol Rolling Eyes



Mmm, plug caps of the plugs springs to mine... Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 25 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damofo D.O.G. wrote:
I concur with the no filling option - I did it a couple of times, but quickly realised that most of the oil would come out as you screwed it on (being as I've never encountered a filter which is not horizontal). Therefore its pointless, messy and wasteful.


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Ive never primed a filter and that is again on a wide spectrum of vehicles (the Er right through to some big old yank V8s).

I normally just fill the motor to the max level on its sightglass/dipstick, fire it up, let it run a second or two and then shut it down again. Check the level, and then top up as necessary.

My pug has lasted to 167,000 miles with this procedure, so I cant imagine its too far off the mark Smile

Some cars now just use a replaceable cartridge element as opposed to the cannister design, so I cant see that you can prime one of them!
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 25 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers guys Thumbs Up

I thought id check as i seemed to recall it being written down somewhere about 'priming' the filter, looking again at the bike, filling the thing and then fitting it would lead to nothing more than a big mess...

Chopping the plugs is no problem... its just getting the tank lifted.. airbox out.. the dreaded heat shield Laughing i'd prolly make a dogs of it if i tried to cheat and simply use some long nose pilers to get in there and unclip them all Shocked

Thanks again Thumbs Up Karma

P.S anoyone know of a good way to open the filter up with out the use of a hack saw? im going to run the oil through a screen just to see if its making metal anywhere yet Shocked
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 25 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of them swiss army can opener things might work ?
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 25 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honda recommend you prime the filter first, i.e. fill it with oil. There are occasional problems with Air locks on R6's apparently from failing to prime filters.
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PostPosted: 05:51 - 26 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Priming oil filters is a grey area... Suzuki state never prime one, like a lot of car manufacturers do...

Its due to the fact your adding oil to the filter after the filter media... when in use the dirty oil enters the filter through the outer holes, passes through the filter and leaves through the centre hole and circulates the engine again... when you prime the filter you adding oil into a location where it shouldve been filtered... the reason a lot of manufacturers state this is bad, is even though its a new bottle of oil, who says its debris free?? Theres possibilitys of debris from the oils manufacturing process and the manufacturing process of the container its been put into.

Some people say its a good idea as it gets oil to the engine fractionally quicker, others say its a bad idea due to above. Another 50/50 issue with no clear right or wrong... so take ya pick.

Just remember, if you dont prime it, if the oil lights not out in 5 secs of starting, turn it off!... loosen the filter,wait a few secs and retighten and try again. Also dont forget to recheck the oil level again, as it will drop as its filled the filter cannister.
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PostPosted: 07:49 - 26 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely priming it means smearing some oil round the edge of the filter before fitting to form a seal??

You fill it up, you try putting the filter back on without it coming out!! Shocked

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PostPosted: 22:09 - 26 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

i always apply oil to the filters seals before i screw them on.. never primed one though...
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PostPosted: 01:16 - 27 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea, just vipe a drop of oil round the rubber seal before screwing the new filter on (hand tight only!)

as for priming, i wouldnt worry. you'd be suprised at how fast an oil pump can spew oil out, and even if the flow was stopped for a few seconds (which it wont be) it wouldnt matter anyway.
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 27 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suzukis have to be done up by hand until the seal touches the engine, then 1 + 1/4 of a turn. (which is pretty tight)
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