Employment laws, changes to working hours.

[owdamer]

Anyone know anything about employment law?
The place i work has had odd working hours for years. we used to do 8-4 (37.5 hours per week) for 8 months of the year, (april 1st -nov3oth) the 7.30-4.30 (42.5hrs/wk) for 4 months (dec 1st-mar31st). The wage stays the same all year. its averaged out.
We were short of work last dec so we didn't start the winter hours, butthen started them in the new year. atthe end ofthe winter hours we were gived a vote for a change in hours. instead of the winter summer thing we were offered set hours all year, with an early finish on fridays, we now do 7.30-4.30 mon to thurs & 7.30-12.45 on fri. (39.25hrs/wk).
Our boss want people to work friday afternoons now, no o/t premium, just the normal rate. He's not getting much interest so now he's saying he's going to put us all back on the old hous, which would mean starting winter hours again. This means we would have worked longer hours all year for free.
Whats the law regarding changing hours? we had a vote for the new hours, surely they cant just change it back just like that.

[NSR Mick]

3 months notice is required for a change of contract which is what your hours change amounts to.

This may be different depending if you are on weekly or monthly pay.
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[JonT]

If I was you i'd work out how many hours you are meant to work per year and then work out how many hours you would be working this year if they suddenly changed back to the old scheme.

Then you can walk up to them and ask them how much they are going to pay you for the extra hours.

[owdamer]

We're on monthly. I'll have to dig my contract out and see what it says. trying to find info on the net but everything seems to be there to help employers.

[owdamer]

[binge]

Ive worked at my Depot for 2 years now. and last month the area manager decided to make us open and work Sundays too.
Ok, the hours haven't gone up, They have actually gone down by 4 hours a week because as a substitute for doing Sundays, We get a week day off. Week days are 10 hour days, Sundays are only 4 hour days.

But still. Sundays FFS!

[owdamer]

I used tyo work saturday nights. it was overtime, but was called contractual overtime meaning you had to do it when it was on. I had a mate on the opposite shift to me who needed the money so I said he could do my saturdays. It worked fine for a year, i did 3 nights a week, he did 4. The manager didn't care. As long as the machine had an operator it made no odds to him. Then we got a new senior manager. a woman and she put a stop to it. no amount of reasoning worked. it pissed me off as i didn't want to work it. it pissed my mate off as it meant he was £200 a month worse off. It wasn't just me and my mate who had an agreement. people used to swap saturdays with each other coz they wanted to go to weddings and god knows what. She put a stop to that. It caused so much bad feeling you wouldn't believe. I often wonder if its just a management thing. They seem hell bent on pissing people off and dont seem to realise that if you are pissed off you'll do less.
management.

[yambabe]

[NSR Mick]

Not 100% sure where I got that from. I'll keep quiet now.
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[iooi]

Just going through this at our place.

You agree to new hours, its 30 days notice, although you can start them sooner if it suits you.

You do not agree then you get 3 months notice and they can then enforce the new hours.

So in this case you are looking at them not being able to enforce them till Dec.


I would get a calc out and work out your hours for the year and average them out per week, then go in with the figures and say that you are prepared to work the new hours but will only be working X hours a week till the end of the year, otherwise you will have averaged too many hours over the year.
If they question it point out how it used to be.
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[yambabe]

[owdamer]

[powelly]

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[owdamer]

[powelly]

I think that makes them liable to a £5k fine!

A mate of mine has a CCTV company, Ill ask him next time I see him, he has told me before but you know what its like when you mates start talking shop.




Offtopic: If Oldham decides to change its name will you do the same?

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[Itchy]