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stitch
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 01 Nov 2007    Post subject: Heated Grips fitting Reply with quote

Any chance there is someone out there who can help me fit my grips at all, I haven't a clue and pennies are short if not non-existent at moment.

I want them wiring into the electrics somewhere not the battery as I did this on my last bike and killed it.

Heated grips are one of the things that will keep me riding through the winter as I have problems with my left hand and the cold means I can't ride.

M1 J29/30 area

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help

Edit....it's and SV650s
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 01 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your a bit out the way but if you don't get any offers then I guess I can work something out. It would be easier if you came here since I've a garage full of tools, but I guess it works both ways, do you have the necessary stuff?
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 01 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Might be able to help out. Depends when.

Normally I would say wire them using a relay (2nd hand relay from a car scrap yard will be pennies). Feed the relay directly from the battery, and use a wire from the feed for the rear brake light switch to trigger the relay.

This way you are putting a barely noticeable load on the existing wiring and when you turn the ignition off the heated grips turn off.

Also means that if you make a total mess of connecting the wires it is probably only a cheap seperate section that is part of the rear brake light switch that you wreck.

All the best

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PostPosted: 22:08 - 01 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

This might help, its not too difficult.

Your a bit too far down for myself to visit.

Depending on the type of grip, you should be able to get everything you need for about £30., this is including the grips and a relay and a few terminals.
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PostPosted: 07:27 - 02 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does that involve taking the tank off? to lay the wires or can it be done without?

I have no strength, flexibility limited rotation in the hand so am psychically unable to even lift the tank off.

The reason I need the grips is because of an accident nearly 3 years ago where I nearly lost the left hand I feel the cold and need the heat. As it is even in warmer months I have limited clutch control in first, during the colder months I have non if my hand is cramped into a claw.

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PostPosted: 07:56 - 02 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Ichy for the offer but I have 2 kids so couldn't leave my eldest that long to come over to you, hes not quite old enough to do that yet.

I do have some tools (bought for the bike) and have others available to me from the guy across the road.

Only need to know what I would need thats all.
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 02 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Depends exactly on the bike, but yes you probably will need to lift the tank off to route the wires neatly. Same applies to just wiring them to the battery.

You can hopefully hide most things under the seat (relay, fuse, etc).

Tools wise, enough tools to take the tank off, footpeg off (to get at the rear brake light switch), bar end weights off, crimping pliers, cable ties, knife to cut the old grips off (or a way to lever them off) and that is about it.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 02 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also remember a relay isnt NEEDED to allow 12v when the ignition is switched on. You can take any switched live and use it
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 02 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

bugsy46 wrote:
Also remember a relay isnt NEEDED to allow 12v when the ignition is switched on. You can take any switched live and use it


If you want to take the risk of melting the wiring.

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PostPosted: 19:22 - 02 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you want to take the risk of melting the wiring.


Thats true, but its why the bike has a fusebox. If it was such a HIGH risk Honda OEM products would certainly supply one as standard fitment would they not? Iv never had a problem taking direct feeds, whether it be daytona, oxford or Honda. And that goes for power supplys, sat-navs, alarms and autocoms
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PostPosted: 19:34 - 02 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

bugsy46 wrote:
Thats true, but its why the bike has a fusebox.


Each fuse cover loads of circuits. Quite easy for one of those circuits to draw enough power to melt its wire, yet not put the total on that fuse high enough to blow it. Try sticking a 100W headlight bulb in an FZ750 and you will not blow the fuse but you will melt the wires through the ignition switch after a while (and that is only marginally more extra load than the grips are fused for).

bugsy46 wrote:
If it was such a HIGH risk Honda OEM products would certainly supply one as standard fitment would they not?


Depends if they know what circuit they are going to be wired to, and specced the wiring to cope.

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:41 - 02 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your all loosing me here guys, I thought it was a simple matter of wiring them into the lights so that when ignition goes off the grips go off.

Try not to blind me with technical stuff, I'm a number person not mechanical. lol
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 02 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

stitch wrote:
Try not to blind me with technical stuff, I'm a number person not mechanical. lol


Err, OK. Numbers time. Wire to your headlight has to cope with 5 amps. Suzuki build in a bit slack and maybe use 6 amp wire. The lighting circuit has a fuse so that if the amps used is too much then it pops the fuse to protect things, but this is mainly there should there be a short. It is protecting the wire that provides power to the headlight (both dip and high beam), indicators, side light, tail light, brake light, clock lights etc. Maybe 15a in total.

So if you add 3 amps for the heated grips to the 5 amp draw for the headlight then it is (potentially) trying to pull 8 amps through a 6 amp wire and it melts. But as the fuse is expecting the amps for all the lights with a bit to spare it is not enough in total to blow the fuse.

Sorry, can't think of a more numeric way to explain it!

All the best

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PostPosted: 20:50 - 02 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Try sticking a 100W headlight bulb in an FZ750 and you will not blow the fuse but you will melt the wires through the ignition switch after a while (and that is only marginally more extra load than the grips are fused for).


Im not disagreeing in anyway whatsoever. I guess its just when Iv fitted grips to so many bikes without ever having used a relay and never having a problem I believe in keeping it simple. The draw on grips oxford make for example is less than 1.5 A each grip, which is what? 36 W on a 12V system, the chances of blowing the wiring on a lighting circuit is very slim (IN MY OPINION!!), I understand what your saying about the FZR bulb, yes it will draw 8 AMPS through a lower rated wire which might be fused by a 15, and even the remaining loads dont pull enough to blow it, but the grips are not pulling anywhere near 100W!! Anyway my head hurts! I respect your ideas and agree 100% with you
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 02 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

bugsy46 wrote:
but the grips are not pulling anywhere near 100W!!


Sorry, maybe could have put it better. Going from a 60W stock bulb to a 100W (naughty) bulb is an extra 40W. Pretty much the same as the 36W from your 2 grips, and that was enough to send the ignition switch wiring a bit crispy.

All the best

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PostPosted: 21:08 - 02 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, I'm in Milton Keynes and if you can get to me I'll wire it up for you.

I can't come to you as I have 5 bikes to fix in my garage at the moment Crying or Very sad

I'm away from the 10th to the 25th though.

PM me if I can help.
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 02 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks PolarBear but I think Milton Keynes is a little out of the way lol, your a star for the offer though.

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