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Damon
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 05 Nov 2007    Post subject: Is this legal? Reply with quote

ok, set the scene...

At the front of the gym i work at there are some of those black metal "posts" that are ment for tying your pushbike up to. Inbetween is a rather large gap where people tend to park their motorbikes so they are in full view through the window. All is fine until one day a traffic warden comes along and starts giving these bikes tickets. He was saying that as it is classed at the pavement, these bikes are parked illegally. Load of shite really.

So anyway, a bloke was saying that you can put a plastic bag around your numberplate and they cannot give you a ticket at all? A few bikes have started to do this and i have seen some traffic wankers walk past without batting an eyelid.

Can i do this legally? can i effectely remove my plate from the bike so the traffic bastards cant give me a ticket? Also, if my road tax is on show, can they just give a ticket using the information from that?

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PostPosted: 23:16 - 05 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm no expert but as far as I know if it's in a position to be ticketed then covering the plate/tax will mean they have the power to tow it away.

I'd be trying to find out (from the council etc) if you're allowed to park there, if not why not etc as pushbikes are allowed
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 05 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

scootabk wrote:
I'm no expert but as far as I know if it's in a position to be ticketed then covering the plate/tax will mean they have the power to tow it away.

I'd be trying to find out (from the council etc) if you're allowed to park there, if not why not etc as pushbikes are allowed


Hmm, aren't pushbikes meant to ride on the road aswell? I always though they were illegal to ride on the pavement.

So why do them fuckers get away without paying road tax (just think of the emmisions when they fart while riding along), insurance (what if they pull out on you and make you crash?) and stuff like that. So if that is the case, why can they park there but you can't?

Is there a way to park it so your reg plate is tucked into a corner so it is impossible for the dude to see it?
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 05 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattHirst wrote:

Is there a way to park it so your reg plate is tucked into a corner so it is impossible for the dude to see it?


yep but it would take a considerable amount of effort backing it up against the gym window/wall. And its on a slight hill too.

I might just ride it into the gym and park it behind the desk. fingers crossed the boss won't come in Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 23:39 - 05 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

No idea on the legality but top marks for the paint drawing.
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PostPosted: 05:07 - 06 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is illegal to park a motor bike on the pavement however the guy would beed to be a real shite to do you for that.

If you cover or remove your plate he can get the details off your road tax, number plate is on that.

He also has the powers to remove and potentially crush the bike.

He is being really petty but he is not wrong.
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PostPosted: 09:02 - 06 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you sure the posts are not there to attempt to stop ram raiders... Is there a sign to say cycle parking?

In many place it is not legal to park a M/Bike in cycle bays, York is certainly one place where you will get a ticket for doing so.
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 06 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If its a public footpath you can't park on it. If the property is private and the strip of path is on the property then you can park on it.

Not 100% sure but I think that the wardens have the power to remove bags now if you were to put one over the number plate.
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 06 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends entirely on where you are.

However I would argue that it is bicycle parking and that I have an offical govt document stating that the vehicle in question is a bicycle.

I'll parking the Trike in Motorcycle Bays in Leicester becauase the V5c states it is a MOTOR triCYCLE, however I won't park it in the one marked MotorBicycle parking
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 06 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Are you sure the posts are not there to attempt to stop ram raiders... Is there a sign to say cycle parking?

In many place it is not legal to park a M/Bike in cycle bays, York is certainly one place where you will get a ticket for doing so.


nope, but i assume they are for pushbikes. We have exactly the same in my local highstreet which are signed for cycle parking.

If they have the powers to crush your bike how would they go about it? ive seen abandoned cars with no plates/tax that have just got a letter pinned to it saying to move to private property otherwise in 30 days it will be crushed. Would they do this with the bike? or would they take it there and then? Also, will i get it shit for having a velcro plate that i can take in the gym with me and make a photocopy of my tax disk where the registration "happens" to have suffered from water damage?

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PostPosted: 13:27 - 06 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

erm, yes you will

because the Bike will be untaxed and unlicened to be on the highway - straight to the crusher, do not pass go, do not get compensation...
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 06 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal wrote:
erm, yes you will

because the Bike will be untaxed and unlicened to be on the highway - straight to the crusher, do not pass go, do not get compensation...


It's not untaxed per say, it's just not displaying. Not sure about the plates situation. I don't see why they just can't use an ounce of common sense about it.
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 06 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dam0n wrote:
nope, but i assume they are for pushbikes. We have exactly the same in my local highstreet which are signed for cycle parking.


That is a very dangerous assumption. Personally unless its signed as parking on the pavement, i would avoid doing so. As you have found out this guy now tickets you... Could be he's new to the job and is going by the book.
As to saying reg doc's say bicycle, if you use that they will laugh you out of the office.....
Ring the office up and ask about the ticket. Find out from boss you that bit of land belongs too, if its the gym then you have a good case to not pay, if its a footpath then not a lot you can do... What are the marking on the road where you were parked ?
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 06 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Dam0n wrote:
nope, but i assume they are for pushbikes. We have exactly the same in my local highstreet which are signed for cycle parking.


That is a very dangerous assumption. Personally unless its signed as parking on the pavement, i would avoid doing so. As you have found out this guy now tickets you... Could be he's new to the job and is going by the book.
As to saying reg doc's say bicycle, if you use that they will laugh you out of the office.....
Ring the office up and ask about the ticket. Find out from boss you that bit of land belongs too, if its the gym then you have a good case to not pay, if its a footpath then not a lot you can do... What are the marking on the road where you were parked ?


no markings what so ever. But its been used as a motorbike parking space for years now with no problems. I will ask the boss if he is in tonight. i'm working 5 - 10 so will be on here to update Smile

Thanks for the replies. I heard somewhere that a traffic warden has to watch the bike/car for 7(or around about) minutes before a ticket can be given. Is this true, or was it a dream?

Chow for now
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 06 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The big Tescoes near here (MK, Kingston) has a "Motorcycle parking area" which is a pooly lined off area right next to the taxi pickup point, the stop and wait point and right next to the exit/cash machines. There is nothing to secure the bikes to and nothing to prevent mr "too lazy to find a space whilst getting cash" from parking across them or broadsiding the bikes and knocking them all over. I park over at the other side of the main doors (By the travel shop for those who know it) where there is a cycle rack and space off to one side where I can back the bike up to the windows and is safe behind the anti-ram raiding posts. Only once had an issue where the trolley monkey had parked the "Electric trolley pushing cart thing (TM)" too close. That soon shifted after I bumped it out of the way.

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PostPosted: 20:17 - 06 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is quite legal for anyone with designated authority (Police, Traffic Warden, parking Attendant) to take reasonable steps to secure the identity (registration number) of any vehicle believed to be commiting an offence, and this would include removing a plastic bag covering up the registration plate.

If you remove the plate from your bike, then you risk further problems, not least of which is that of attempting to pervert the course of justice which is a criminal offence, and this would resultn in the Police being involved rather than the local warden.

As far as the parking is concerned, then you could have been done for driving elsewhere than on a road, obstruction or under a local bylaw (so clarification is required to determine exactly what offence you have been done for) but if it is in contravention of a specific parking offence, then the lines, signs and traffic order must all be in place and correct.
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 06 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

My tax disc says bicycle on it so would that mean I am legally aloud to park in a bicycle park area.
I don't know if it is any different for over 50cc
Does that also mean I can ride in bicycle lanes?

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PostPosted: 20:42 - 06 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
My tax disc says bicycle on it so would that mean I am legally aloud to park in a bicycle park area.
I don't know if it is any different for over 50cc
Does that also mean I can ride in bicycle lanes?

Mark


You have a "Motor Bicycle" which is the exact classification and something I covered only a few weeks ago.

So the answer is NO to both questions! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 06 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
ms51ves3 wrote:
My tax disc says bicycle on it so would that mean I am legally aloud to park in a bicycle park area.
I don't know if it is any different for over 50cc
Does that also mean I can ride in bicycle lanes?

Mark


You have a "Motor Bicycle" which is the exact classification and something I covered only a few weeks ago.

So the answer is NO to both questions! Rolling Eyes


The tax disc dosen't say 'Motor Bicycle' It says 'Bicycle'
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 06 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

this drives me mad. It's not illegal to park on the pavement,other than in london, the restrictions which apply to the road apply to the pavement. There's a warden round here keeps threatening to give
me a ticket for obstructing the pavement despite the fact that said pavement is six metres wide. What planet are these guys from.
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 06 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:07 - 06 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

atom wrote:
this drives me mad. It's not illegal to park on the pavement,other than in london, the restrictions which apply to the road apply to the pavement. There's a warden round here keeps threatening to give
me a ticket for obstructing the pavement despite the fact that said pavement is six metres wide. What planet are these guys from.


most of them it seems, planet africa Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 07 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Jamie- wrote:


The tax disc dosen't say 'Motor Bicycle' It says 'Bicycle'


But bicycles don't require road Tax, so if it said that why did you pay for the Tax in the first place. Shocked Wink
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 07 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Jamie- wrote:


The tax disc dosen't say 'Motor Bicycle' It says 'Bicycle'


Well on that basis, don't bother with road fund licence, don't bother insuring it, don't bother wearing a crash helmet and then go and argue your point in court when they decide to do you, sieze your bike and send it to the crusher.

You are obviously convinced, so winning such a simple argument will be an absolute breeze for you!
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 08 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dam0n wrote:


Thanks for the replies. I heard somewhere that a traffic warden has to watch the bike/car for 7(or around about) minutes before a ticket can be given. Is this true, or was it a dream?

Chow for now


My local Traffic warden told methat if you park on a double yellow line, they MUST give you 10 minutes before any ticket is issued (Which is why in a lot of cases, they appear to wait until you are on your way back!) however, if the vehicle is on or partly on the pavement, it is an immediate ticket.

I know it doesn't help your particular case, but what may help is, that if the bicycle parking bays are on private land (i.e. owned by the gym) then the traffic warden has himself comitted a criminal offence in issuing a ticket (it is close to fraud, but not quite) ESPECIALLY if the local council follow it through.

If the park is public, or council land and it is classed as a pavement, then you my friend are fucked.. sorry
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