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Leggy_Girl
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Speed and keeping it down... Reply with quote

I dont know about you guys, but i find going slow so boring. I'm really struggling at the moment to grasp just how fast is too fast, without actually breaking the speed limit in the process.

Reason all this has come about is i got caught speeding back in August and I got 3 points and £60 fine. That i don't mind because it was my fault and i deserved the points. That kicked things into perspective for me as i'm still on L plates so another 3 points for any reason and i'll lose my license. I don't want that to happen!!

Since then i've been really careful about my speed, keeping it down, and not breaking speed limits incase there's a copper hiding round the bend with a speed-gun again. I thought i was doing quite well.

I took a 3 hour riding lesson yesterday and the instructor said i was still too fast, and that my riding looked aggressive. I will do everything i can to change this if it means i can pass my test next Monday, and i have two more lessons booked which are both 3 hours long. Hopefully freezing my ass off for 6 hours will help curb my enthusiastic riding Laughing

Is it really so terrible that i do like to get up to speed quite quickly? I'm not breaking any laws and i'm mindful of my speed at all times too. Why do i feel so guilty all of a sudden?! Confused

I could make excuses saying that my bike is quick, it weighs nothing and i weigh nothing which is why i'm so nippy, but that's just not the case. Well, i'm sure it helps, but i control the throttle when all's said and done Wink

Does anyone understand what i'm getting at or is in the same boat? Love speed but can't speed for fear of reprimand? Razz

I can't wait until i can go on a trackday! Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Re: Speed and keeping it down... Reply with quote

Leggy_Girl wrote:
I'm really struggling at the moment to grasp just how fast is too fast, without actually breaking the speed limit in the process.


That is definitely not too fast. Wink
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im pretty sure almost every member of this forum will agree with you Thumbs Up


It is hard going slow. The very act of going slow makes me want to speed up, so slowing down...makes me speed up. Its a viscious, twat of a circle.

I thought of my test as a bit of a white lie to my true riding character. You just gotta be James May for half an hour Smile

All I can say is literally, think of not being able to ride again Sad or at least for a year or so if you do get caught again. Or even a month, if you dont pass Shocked

You got caught by a speed gun? Thought they arent allowed to be used nowadays! Theyre supposed to be VERY innacurate on motorbikes? Someone clocked a stationary fireblade at 47mph Confused
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Re: Speed and keeping it down... Reply with quote

Damofo D.O.G. wrote:
Leggy_Girl wrote:
I'm really struggling at the moment to grasp just how fast is too fast, without actually breaking the speed limit in the process.


That is definitely not too fast. Wink


Didnt read that bit properly. The man makes a good point.


Plus, I dont see how they can be unhappy with you accelerating upto the speed of the traffic...if you arent doing over it. Unless he thinks your cornering is "aggressive"?
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Re: Speed and keeping it down... Reply with quote

Leggy_Girl wrote:
That kicked things into perspective for me as i'm still on L plates so another 3 points for any reason and i'll lose my license.


The 6 point limit only kicks in once you have passed your test. As a learner you have 12 points before you get a ban. For the first 2 years after getting your first full licence then getting to 6 points or more (ie, getting points within those 2 years that results in the total hitting 6 or more points) results in your full licence being revoked (not a ban).

However, best suggestion is to sit in a lower gear. Makes the engine harsher and more vibey so it feels like it is trying more and you feel like you are going faster.

All the best

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PostPosted: 14:56 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just got off 3 points, nothing came through the post. Mr. Green

That would have made it over 24 points in total i think. Thinking

I've been banned once already but that was for 58 in a 50. Sad

Still i continue to see open bits of road and think, why not.

Sometimes you get caught out like i have, i can recall every time i was caught speeding all but one were SP30's. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get 12 points on L Plates Very Happy I was the same thinking 6.
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Re: Speed and keeping it down... Reply with quote

All you can rely on is your own eyes and intuition.

Only camera I've been done by, was a mobile one I saw and slowed down for, but clearly accelerated too soon after passing it. Thought I'd be out of range, as it looked like a speck when I turned around to check. Must have been just in range as my recorded speed was 72 mph Confused when seconds later I was well over a ton. Lesson learned; wait for the next corner before resuming hoonage.
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know exactly what you mean, and I'm sure every forum member here with a pair of balls (and some without) can sympathise. I myself am into several (I hate the word) 'extreme' sports and i have fun scaring myself on a regular basis. Driving a car or bike normally doesn't bring anything like the same buzz or rush and prompts me to go faster and faster. I've learnt that driving/riding fast is okay, as long as you have the observation and perception skills to match. Only speed in the distance you can see to be clear of the twats in blue Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The difference between me being a learner (up untill 3 months ago) and now is in regard to speed limits is (as has been said) gearing. When a learner I hardly ever got out of third in town (on an ER5). Now I do, and I am having severe trials keeping my speed down, sigh.
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

theres no speed thats two fast.

ive got 3 points for doing 45 in a 30 which is gay

but ive been pulled twice for doing over a ton

once about 200 yards from my house when i was doing about 120-130 and i happend to over take on a solid white line and there happened to be a copper coming right towards me. he let me off with that altho he never mentioned the speed.

once in a 40 zone doing 120mph on my cb 500 head down behind the clocks lol he had a benny at me and let me go.

but on both occasions it was like 1am-3am

so if you want to speed do it at night Smile

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PostPosted: 17:01 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find i always slow it down abit after i have a "near miss"... Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fawbish wrote:

It is hard going slow.


you do a good job at it Razz Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, cos overtaking on bends where you CANNOT see ahead at about 140mph is clever innit, you massive dyke! lol

Razz

Yeah but phil....my insurance drops by a grand in march....how much is yours gonna be again, with those three ickle points?

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PostPosted: 17:23 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

This on the DTX? Keep practicing and make sure to keep a watchful eye on your speed. You'll probably get to a stage where you know how fast you're going without even having to look at your speedo.
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting caught doing well over 100mph and getting let off did it for me.
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fawbish wrote:
Yeah, cos overtaking on bends where you CANNOT see ahead at about 140mph is clever innit, you massive dyke! lol

Razz

Yeah but phil....my insurance drops by a grand in march....how much is yours gonna be again, with those three ickle points?

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quite abit i suspect, but how much did you pay for tpft this year? ha pwned Razz

and their not just points! their points of honour from humberside police Smile
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can sympathise with your point too. I didn't used to consider my riding style as being particularly fast on the roads, as the 'nutter' brigade would always fly by me. Don't get me wrong I can ride fast when I want to, its just that I thought the speed I rode at was always acceptable.

That theory went out of the window when I did a BikeSafe course earlier this year. To put it simply when I was out on the road assessment with my police instructor I obviously had to stick to the speed limits and I was always riding on the borderline of that limit. It was the slowest ride that I had had for many years, through the town, through the twisties, it all felt so slow. I even commented on it at the time to the police instructor when he asked me if that was gow I normally ride.

And later on that night when my brain was mulling it over it struck me that the BikeSafe ride was all done at the legal limits, my riding is never ever that steady and thus I must be pushing it pretty much all of the time.

I don't know what the answer is, riding slow does become boring. I haven't particularly changed my riding style since this realisation struck me after the BikeSafe, but at least it has made me more aware of what I am doing.
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I realise that this isn't really relative (as the thread writer is on Ls) but I've recently found that going on the motorway for a while makes it really easy to stick to the speed limit when you leave it.
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is why i sold my bike, everywhere i was going i was speeding, 80mph in 30s, overtaking cars at junctions just for the thrill of it. I count myself quite lucky that i havn't had a bad crash or got any points as i do ride like a complete c**t on my own.
I was using the bike everyday so riding wasn't fun anymore, the only way to get some excitement was to speed.

My car is much more relaxed tho & i'm hoping that i can control myself when i get another bike...yeah right!
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i was still too fast, and that my riding looked aggressive.


I wonder do you go to the red line before changing up, some would consider this as being aggressive. Also sitting just outside the line of the car. Now i know this IS the best place to be as it makes you visable to them.
I would ask the person just waht he means and get him to explain why he thinks that way.

Sometimes its far more fun to stick to the limits and watch the tin boxes all struggle to do the same. Of course one you reach a national limit sign, thats when you lose them.... Just as they think great can get passed....
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Re: Speed and keeping it down... Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Leggy_Girl wrote:
That kicked things into perspective for me as i'm still on L plates so another 3 points for any reason and i'll lose my license.


However, best suggestion is to sit in a lower gear. Makes the engine harsher and more vibey so it feels like it is trying more and you feel like you are going faster.

All the best

Keith
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Definitely the way to go Thumbs Up

Got a warning in the car, when I wasn't concentrating on my speed, now keep that in 3rd in town to help me keep at 30. Same on the bike.
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

haha, laughed at reading this.
it was only sunday that i had my first on road lesson in preperation to my test and was told pretty much the same thing. i attack roundabouts too fast and dont slow down. and they could fail me for it - when out today i was much slower Smile
even enjoyed it more. coming down a dual carrigeway at 60 and saw a 30 sign, a road i used to ride regular anyway. did my mirror check and dropped to 30 just as i passed the sign - had a a grin on my face for some reason and enjoyed being sensible for a change. that will all change once i get my license and hit the roads on my 600 im sure!

good luck with your test mate.
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

calum17 wrote:
...had a a grin on my face for some reason and enjoyed being sensible for a change. that will all change once i get my license and hit the roads on my 600 im sure!


Almost certainly!!! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 13 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Fast is nothing.

2. Smooth is everything.

That is all.
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