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Mister James
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PostPosted: 00:41 - 14 Nov 2007    Post subject: Lying swine backed up by the BBC over-dramatising it Reply with quote

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7093726.stm

What a load of old toss.

Has anyone considered that people might actually *gasp* lie to try and influence their case?!

You can see the fella in the video pausing to make his story up!
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PostPosted: 01:25 - 14 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pfft. Why let the facts get in the way of a good story?
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 14 Nov 2007    Post subject: Re: Lying swine backed up by the BBC over-dramatising it Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
Has anyone considered that people might actually *gasp* lie to try and influence their case?!


I think that's a fair point, but it's not the one currently under investigation.

Mister James wrote:
You can see the fella in the video pausing to make his story up!


Do you think he might be struggling to articulate in a language that isn't his first, or that he may be struggling to remember the words used? Afterall the judge in his case had already said he can stay, he wasn't trying to influence a decision.

Now the current investigation at the immigration service may lead to compensation for the ill treatment of detainees, and for that I can accept he might have an axe to grind.

Anyway this is BBC reporting and according to Mark Thomas' philosophy you get what you pay for, and at the moment that is a second rate service. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 14 Nov 2007    Post subject: Re: Lying swine backed up by the BBC over-dramatising it Reply with quote

LeeR wrote:
Mister James wrote:
Has anyone considered that people might actually *gasp* lie to try and influence their case?!


I think that's a fair point, but it's not the one currently under investigation.



True - I was referring more to the over-hyped and obviously biased article, where the ex-detainee is presented as the paragon of virtue whilst the government and contractors are obviously shady characters, and not to be trusted.

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Do you think he might be struggling to articulate in a language that isn't his first, or that he may be struggling to remember the words used?


Nope. He speaks and writes better English than most people on these forums, and I doubt he'd struggle to remember it if someone actually had made comments about black monkeys going home. Offensive language does tend to stick in one's head.

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Afterall the judge in his case had already said he can stay, he wasn't trying to influence a decision.


You mention compensation as a motive - I'd add to that the simple lure of his 15 mins - and that fact that detainees/immigrants are actually extremely well organised. Most national groupings within the detention estate have their own support groups outside, who coordinate action and information between their fellow nationals in each centre. As such, anything which might discredit BIA or their contractors would definitely be of interest to many people - even if we assume they have no personal vendetta to pursue.

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Now the current investigation at the immigration service may lead to compensation for the ill treatment of detainees, and for that I can accept he might have an axe to grind.


As you said earlier, that isn't the 'problem' under investigation - the apparently poor complaints system is.

I note that the article is fairly sketchy about what the complaints actually refer to. I can only go on my own experience, but most complaints that pass through me are regarding the conduct of their case by BIA civil servants, not physical mistreatment - the ratio being probably about 500:1

Others might include people claiming their human rights were infringed by only having Sky in the communal TV rooms, and not piped into their room, and the accusation of racism because the shop doesn't sell the full range of Afro-Caribbean skin products.

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Anyway this is BBC reporting and according to Mark Thomas' philosophy you get what you pay for, and at the moment that is a second rate service. Thumbs Up


Agreed - although they take enough of my cash to try and put on a half decent show once in a while!
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 14 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erm Mister James you do realise that Zanulabour made the BBC its propaganda channel after the Hutton affair which found only the BBC to blame right?.

Probably why there hasn't been a Northern Rock story on the Beeb for about a month , or that the Government got an injunction to prevent the reality of Northern Rock being told by the FT

which conviently due to the niceities of the interweb

https://www.scribd.com/doc/492023/Northern-Rock-Summary

(note was removed an hour ago) could be read alas it has been removed , but some analysists say NR is only worth 6bn at best , and Gordo paid 24bn, thus in ONE month Gordo lost MORE than Black Wednesday ERM , infact 700% more. And NR is STILL borrowing.
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 14 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Erm Mister James you do realise that Zanulabour made the BBC its propaganda channel after the Hutton affair which found only the BBC to blame right?.


Despite knowing the above to be true, I haven't the heart to be suspicious of anything with 'British' in its title!
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 14 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

British is best campaigns didn't save the British motorcycling industry and won'r save the Beeb!
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