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PostPosted: 01:59 - 20 Nov 2007    Post subject: Re: smoking petition Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 08:48 - 20 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I now enjoy going into pubs for the first time in years, I want to start a petition to ban smoking anywhere on our continent.
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 20 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed, i have zero sympathy for smokers on this issue, you guys say its a breach of civil liberties etc etc but at the end of the day if you want to do something hazardous to innocent people's health then do it where you arnt going to affect us.

Basically everyone (bar maybe 2) in my office smokes, and they all agreed yesterday that they all want to smoke but massively appreciate the smoking ban as they now smoke less than a third than they used to.
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 20 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ban has made pubs much better in my view. I can nip in for a pint on the way home and not need to wash all my clothes.
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I don't like seeing blanket bans on anything because one day it will be something I like doing.......There should have been an option to include proper segregated smoking rooms in pubs. You buy your pint and if you so choose take it to a smoking room. Seems a better idea than having people out of the street throwing fag ends about. Karma
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 20 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

sekwah275 wrote:
Agreed, i have zero sympathy for bikers on this issue, you guys say its a breach of civil liberties etc etc but at the end of the day if you want to do something hazardous to innocent people's health then do it where you arnt going to affect us.
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twisted another way, can apply to ANYTHING that arguement,

oh and people not smoking = 2% income tax hike possibly 5% due to corporate taxes.
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 20 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vin wrote:
The ban has made pubs much better in my view. I can nip in for a pint on the way home and not need to wash all my clothes.
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I don't like seeing blanket bans on anything because one day it will be something I like doing.......There should have been an option to include proper segregated smoking rooms in pubs. You buy your pint and if you so choose take it to a smoking room. Seems a better idea than having people out of the street throwing fag ends about. Karma


except for the fact that instead of smoke masking everything you can smell uncleaned toilets , other peoples sweat, and in another local pub super strong bleach
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 20 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh, even being an ex smoker (6ish years, I try not to think about it Smile ), I didn' agree with the ban. Pubs and resturants should have been allowed to make the choice themselves depending on staff and customer preferences. I personally still miss the old smoky pub, it was just a nice part of the atmosphere.

Throw in subsidies for pubs that do enforce no smoking and I'm pretty sure you'd get a good even spread of both in no time. As for workplaces, I fail to see what was wrong with the old smoking rooms that many offices had. Confused
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 20 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do people bother with the Gov petitions site, do they really think it will make any diffrence, all they are doing is harvesting your emails and selling them to spammers... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 20 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:

oh and people not smoking = 2% income tax hike possibly 5% due to corporate taxes.


This is absolute nonsense, the saving to the NHS alone would offset the gain from taxes.
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 20 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:

oh and people not smoking = 2% income tax hike possibly 5% due to corporate taxes.


This is absolute nonsense, the saving to the NHS alone would offset the loss from tax on cigarettes.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 20 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stiffler wrote:
Itchy wrote:

oh and people not smoking = 2% income tax hike possibly 5% due to corporate taxes.


This is absolute nonsense, the saving to the NHS alone would offset the loss from tax on cigarettes.



Sigh

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3292979.stm

from 2002

Ciggies duties = 9.3bn circa 2002 ,

NHS bill for ciggies = 1.5bn circa 2002.

= 7.8bn profit,

this ONLY includes the duties on ciggies and not the 30% corporation taxes that the ciggie corporations pay AND the savings in pension payments
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 20 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:


Sigh

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3292979.stm

from 2002

Ciggies duties = 9.3bn circa 2002 ,

NHS bill for ciggies = 1.5bn circa 2002.

= 7.8bn profit,

this ONLY includes the duties on ciggies and not the 30% corporation taxes that the ciggie corporations pay AND the savings in pension payments


For a start thats an ancient article with similarly ancient stats no doubt. What it fails to take into account is other costs too. Costs to charity, costs in lost work hours through illness and those who have to care for people with smoke attributable illnesses Cool
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 20 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:


this ONLY includes the duties on ciggies and not the 30% corporation taxes that the ciggie corporations pay AND the savings in pension payments


and as far as Corporation taxes go thats a laugh. Most major companies pay a pittance in that tax as they take out large loans that are Corp tax deductable. Any figure on corp tax is highly theoreticle at best due to this. Cool
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 20 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

1930 Ariel wrote:
I now enjoy going into pubs for the first time in years, I want to start a petition to ban smoking anywhere on our continent.


I couldn't agree more... Very Happy Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 20 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think what a hell of a lot of people fail to grasp is that the law was brought in to prevent health issues for people WORKING in the venues and NOT the patrons.

You'll find a lot of non smokers now stand outside because all their smoking friends are outside.

I really don't see what the issue was with smoking rooms in company offices, quite a few places I've worked at had them, now the smokers bitch about having to go outside and the non-smokers bitch about having to walk through a cloud of smoke.
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 20 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fastgut wrote:
Itchy wrote:


this ONLY includes the duties on ciggies and not the 30% corporation taxes that the ciggie corporations pay AND the savings in pension payments


and as far as Corporation taxes go thats a laugh. Most major companies pay a pittance in that tax as they take out large loans that are Corp tax deductable. Any figure on corp tax is highly theoreticle at best due to this. Cool


The income statment from imperial tobacco would suggest different!

https://www.imperial-tobacco.com/files/financial/reports/ar2006/index.asp?pageid=40
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 20 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

if your petition is smoking, then you're rubbing it too hard...

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PostPosted: 18:04 - 20 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

euan wrote:

The income statment from imperial tobacco would suggest different!

https://www.imperial-tobacco.com/files/financial/reports/ar2006/index.asp?pageid=40


aye

£8,514,000,000 in duty
AND

£310,000,000 corporation tax,

If you think that companies can take out loans willy nilly and just hold the cash , it comes under anti corporation tax measures if the money isn't spent on anything and just held.
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 20 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wyvern971 wrote:
You'll find a lot of non smokers now stand outside because all their smoking friends are outside.


Not me, I stay inside where its nice and warm and watch the drinks Wink
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 20 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

dunno but after the ban I noticed thet the pubs started smelling of poo and piss and farts and things... better than fags in a way though
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 20 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is just the people you drink with, find some more hygenic mates.
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 20 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Why do people bother with the Gov petitions site, do they really think it will make any diffrence, all they are doing is harvesting your emails and selling them to spammers... Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: 22:14 - 20 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate smoking and am glad it's not allowed in pubs. I do on the other hand think it's unfair on them, they should have smoking rooms rather than non smoking ones.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 20 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey guess what I smoke and think the ban is good! nothing worse than trying to eat your meal while being surrounded by smoke and polluting non smokers lungs, I smoke in my own home and don't when I go out and I don't do pubs anyway. I only poison my own body thanks. Thumbs Up
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