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PostPosted: 09:25 - 13 Sep 2007    Post subject: Valve clearances? Reply with quote

Hi, i have a '99 zx6r, and Im pretty sure I need to check the valve clearances and I know that some of em will need doing at least (Ive gone a fair bit past the service interval)

Ive never had to do them before, and understand it is a very technical job to do. I dont wish to do it myself, or I wouldnt post this, cos I found a guide on the net.

I was wondering though, cos Im too lazy to look past one page of google results Razz

How expensive would it be to get the valves done by a professional? Or a workshop at least.

Im in Hull, in N.E England, if that makes a difference.

Has anyone had em done properly? (not implying anyone cant do it themselves properly, but Im kinda limited in what I can do on the bike, Im not uber adept, but can do almost all my other maintenance - but dont fancy doing this!)
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 13 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

checking the clearances it self i easy,
changing the bloody shims is a pain in the bloody arse (can you tell ive done it before)
there is a good video for a gs500 about, which will give you a basic guide, (bear in mind, a gs has 4 valves and you will have 16 of the beggers to check)

here is the gs500 video which is a good indication Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 19 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a quote from DPS Racing Ltd in Keighley after many people recommended them to me.

For my ZX6R J2 to check valves and sort shims was £135 all in.
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PostPosted: 00:25 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate bucket and shims Mad

My 1500 trike has hydraulic tappets - brilliant but then Honda decide to revert to shims for the 1800 and mine are now due.

£300 Crying or Very sad

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PostPosted: 00:30 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

owch, pricey. You reckon if i did all the hardwork )Razz) and just gave them the engine sitting in the frame, theyd take a fair bit off for labour? lol
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 21 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

daesimps wrote:
I had a quote from DPS Racing Ltd in Keighley after many people recommended them to me.

For my ZX6R J2 to check valves and sort shims was £135 all in.


That sounds pretty good. Im sure my cbr could do with having it done but i dont have alot of money or faith in spanner monkeys.
Anyone know anyone good down sarf? Near hertfordshire preferably.
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 21 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

£135? Bargain.

Do the cams have to come out, like they do on my TRX? Major pain, especially with the lack of access on a bike like the ZX6. If not, then it's not too bad to do yourself.

If you check them, by the book, then you know whether or not they want adjusting. And maybe they don't.....
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 21 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are the mechanical signs it needs doing... ?
I think my bike is knocking on for 40k and im not sure the old girls had it done before i owned her so it would make sense, but i dont get to use my bike much so when i do get back carting her off to a garage for a week plus is not really a fun option (unless its a white crimbo).
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 21 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hard to start is generally what you find as all the clearances have been taken up and the valves cannot shut off fully.

You might think your engine is nice and quiet - that's not necessarily a good thing!

At 40k they certainly warrant checking. Often you find they want shimming the first time, but after that they don't.
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 22 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well £135 is a joke, id do them in an hour max, which would work out at £37 labour minus sundries
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PostPosted: 00:11 - 22 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

bugsy46 wrote:
Well £135 is a joke, id do them in an hour max, which would work out at £37 labour minus sundries


you're on give ya £50 to look at (and adjust) me CBR valves darned shimmed valve thingies. (me NTV is deadly easy to do)
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PostPosted: 00:32 - 22 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

bugsy46 wrote:
Well £135 is a joke, id do them in an hour max, which would work out at £37 labour minus sundries


It would honestly take you 1 hour to take tank/fairings/airbox/carbs, head/cams off, check and possibly adjust them then put everything back together?

I reckon 3hours for checking and possibly another hour if they need adjusting (plus parts) is fair.
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PostPosted: 00:47 - 22 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:


you're on give ya £50 to look at (and adjust) me CBR valves darned shimmed valve thingies. (me NTV is deadly easy to do)



I'll hit that bet too.
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 22 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It would honestly take you 1 hour to take tank/fairings/airbox/carbs, head/cams off, check and possibly adjust them then put everything back together?


Please dont tell me how to do my job!

When you check the valve clearances on a CBR you dont remove the cams
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 22 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I for one, don't know what your job is, so it would be impossible for me to tell you how to do it. Lets face it, there are plenty of folks on even THIS forum who make claims/statements that are at variance with complete accuracy;

I don't think anyone DID tell you how to do your job, they simply expressed surprise that you were able to offer such a service and asked if you were sure that you could do it;-

a) in such a quick time

and

b) at such a low price

Several bikes have been mentioned as well as CBR's so I don't know if your offer to service for that price applies to all of them.

Oh, and to the best of my knowledge (limited, perhaps) you don't remove the cam on ANY bike to check the valve clearance, I think the poster just got things a bit out of sync and wondered if you needed to remove the cam to alter the clearances.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 22 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

My FZR has just gone into the garage for Valve clearances, carb balance and a new rear tyre.
So that'll hit my Christmas drinking fund hard Sad

They haven't got back to me with a price yet but I'll have to see how it compares with the ones suggested on here...
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 22 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

the cams have to come out on my zxr400 to be done, and the zxr400 and zx6r use the same cam followers... so maybe...
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 22 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

The £135 price was given as "check valves and sort shims", which I would read as including replacing some shims. Which often needs the cams removing.

Although on plenty of bikes you do not need to take the cams out. Some the rocker arm can be pushed to one side to make it easy to get the shims out.

All the best

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PostPosted: 23:29 - 22 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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The £135 price was given as "check valves and sort shims", which I would read as including replacing some shims. Which often needs the cams removing.

Although on plenty of bikes you do not need to take the cams out. Some the rocker arm can be pushed to one side to make it easy to get the shims out.

All the best

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say didn't you once teach Craig how to do valves? , do you still teach? (that said I know how to do valves on my NTV and CBR , the CBR took absolutely forever and a day though good job I didn't buy a Yamaha and their 5 valves per cylinder jobbies).
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 22 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I hate doing valves. And bikes with shimmed valves are a nightmare as you land up having the take it to pieces, find out what shims you need to order then wait for them to come through.

All the best

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PostPosted: 11:54 - 23 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the last service I have here it cost £240 thats including Labour.
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 23 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugger, i got screwed. £280 for mine! That was for service and checking valves. I weren't particularly sure if any of the shims needed replacing. Oh, yeh, i think i got my alarm removed too. It was a 24000 mile service so i suppose it waws meant to cost that much.
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 23 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

bugsy46 wrote:
Well £135 is a joke, id do them in an hour max, which would work out at £37 labour minus sundries


Change valve shims on a zx-6r in an hour?

Bullshit!
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 23 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was told it was a 3 hour job on a ZX6R because they are an absolute PIG to get to! Hence why they estimated me 250 quid for the whole service! and that was without any requirement for shims. At least i wont have to do it for another 2 or so years.
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 23 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW I've just had my VFR800 valves done along with clutch/brake fluid, air filter, brake pads and a few other bits and bobs for £170 including sundries Wink

Expensive valves? My f**king arse Wink

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