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PostPosted: 22:30 - 26 Nov 2007    Post subject: is it legal Reply with quote

https://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z117/trist077/bladeunderseatrear.jpg

this pic of the numer plate is it illegal to have it like that or not
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 26 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

illegal too small and that tyre is dead, you will points for the tyre and a warning for the plate.
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 26 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it's illegal.

Small square plates are better. Laughing Cool Cool

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PostPosted: 22:38 - 26 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:
Yes it's illegal.

Small square plates are better. Laughing Cool Cool

https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a50/micklivesey/nsr/DSC00706.jpg


what size is that i want a smaller plate but i dont want it to be instantly obvious like luke's or NC30's old R1.
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 26 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had an 8 x 6 on my Hornet, that was ok.

Going for a 7 x 5 on the mille, I think 6 x 4 looks too small and may get a pull. 7 x 5 is the ideal compromise IMO.

And yeah all 1 liners are illegal.
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 26 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

XlonewolfX wrote:

what size is that i want a smaller plate but i dont want it to be instantly obvious like luke's or NC30's old R1.


Not sure. Embarassed

I'll measure it next time at the mother inlaws.
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 26 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Using my amazing internet powers of deduction I'm going for 8 x 6. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 26 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:
XlonewolfX wrote:

what size is that i want a smaller plate but i dont want it to be instantly obvious like luke's or NC30's old R1.


Not sure. Embarassed

I'll measure it next time at the mother inlaws.

lol mick, i want a smaller plate to make it look a bit tidier. but i want one that wont attract the police instantly.
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PostPosted: 23:44 - 26 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately it also needs to be illuminated, so having your 'zorsts between the light and the plate may encourage the long arm of the law to be extended in your direction.

That said, most folks get away with it most of the time, and only usually seem to get rectification certificates.

Knowing my luck, the whole damn book would be flung at me.
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 26 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thers a black '07 plate gixxer 1000 at my college with a black and silver plate that looks to be at least 6 x 4

to be fair it looks nice but god knows how he's never been pulled!

back to the main subject
1 line plates are illegal on motorcycles regardless of size, accept on really old bikes with the plate on the front mud guard

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PostPosted: 12:31 - 27 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend of mine just bought a new plate from ebay. It is quite alot smaller but still has legal sized numbers and letters.
looks really good Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 27 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think if you can clearly read it from ? meters you're good,
i think its the length of a bowling alley however far that is ? 20 meters mayby

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PostPosted: 16:23 - 27 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
i think if you can clearly read it from ? meters you're good,
i think its the length of a bowling alley however far that is ? 20 meters mayby

c_dug


What ? For it to be legal? No, it has to be a certain size and the letters spaced properly. Being able to read it from a certain distance is an eyesight check & part of your test.
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 27 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think he's referring to this...

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Dark visors during daylight hours should not lead to prosecution, police have finally agreed.

The Motorcycle Enforcement Strategy for England, Wales and Northern Ireland says advice should be given only.

The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) asked riders through MCN what the strategy should be before drawing it up. Common sense on dark visors was one of your biggest demands.

The strategy also says illegal number plates should not lead to prosecution unless they are unreadable from 20.5 metres – another area in which you urged common sense.

On illegal dark visors during the day the strategy recommends “advice only”. It adds: “If used during the hours of darkness or conditions of reduced visibility, consider prosecution… Only in cases where there is an obvious danger should prosecution be considered.“

With regard to small plates it says: “It has been decided not to focus on the technicalities of the size of the plate or font size to comply with current legislation, but to apply a simple test of legibility, based upon the standard eyesight test for riders and drivers.”

The strategy has immediate effect. David Griffin, head of motorcycle safety for ACPO, warned it was guidance only. He said: “It’s not immunity from prosecution.”


Source: https://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2007/March/mar26-apr1/mar2907greenlightfordarkvisors/?&R=EPI-90160

Also referred to in https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200607/cmselect/cmtran/264/264.pdf
Page 18, Section 5 (Enforcement)

Bear in mind that's an ACPO Strategy, not law, so a bike will still fail MOT if NumberPlate is illegal etc... and if you DO get pulled and it goes to court then likelihood is you'll get done... and you can still be pulled if an officer really feels like it... BUT, the strategy means that it shouldn't get that far, unless they're tacking the numberplate being too small onto another issue with your vehicle/driving that is more serious. Basically, a strategy is open to personal/individual interpretation - a law isn't. Therefore, don't rely on the new ACPO Guidelines to back you up. Personally, only one I'll risk is dark visor - my numberplate stays the "legal" size / font.

Personally, wish they'd not have bothered. Half the country thinks that the ACPO guidelines make small number plates legal, when in reality, they aren't. You CAN still be prosecuted for them if the officer chooses to do so... it's just added more confusion to the whole issue.
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 27 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
Thers a black '07 plate gixxer 1000 at my college with a black and silver plate that looks to be at least 6 x 4

to be fair it looks nice but god knows how he's never been pulled!

back to the main subject
1 line plates are illegal on motorcycles regardless of size, accept on really old bikes with the plate on the front mud guard

c_dug

hate to tell you but black and silver plates are illegal on bikes after the early 70's and you dont have to have front number plates on old bikes.
he might never have been pulled "YET" just wait, when they do stop him they will throw the book at him.
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PostPosted: 01:11 - 28 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats exactly what i said Laughing well what i meant it to imply anyway although i might not have put it that plainly Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 28 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black & Silver plates can only be used on the road if the vehicle is registered before 1973. My first car had them, looked the dogs in those day.

Strange thing is, there is a black Merc (S600 or something) local to me who has got black plates, had them for years. So may be the gixxer rider wont get pulled.Thinking

Bollox he wont! Razz
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 28 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

My college is in south west london, id say they have more important things like regular shootings to deal with than one bike and its black and silver plate,

Then again they seem to do anything to get another bike off the road these days!

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PostPosted: 23:16 - 28 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

As from this month its all changed again...

Bike plates have to be a fixed size, letters a single font and size, no backgrounds, no logos other than GB or euro flag, must carry a type approval marking and show the postcode of the manufacturer.

So even my legal plate with its Aprilia badge is now illegal Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 28 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

i got a £30 fine for "failing to dispay index plate" when i was pulled for my 7x2 single liner. I went home and thought well if i get that for displaying a readable plate i might aswell go smaller, it'll work out cheaper in the end Wink
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PostPosted: 10:58 - 29 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheekythomas wrote:
As from this month its all changed again...

Bike plates have to be a fixed size, letters a single font and size, no backgrounds, no logos other than GB or euro flag, must carry a type approval marking and show the postcode of the manufacturer.

So even my legal plate with its Aprilia badge is now illegal Laughing


I chose a good time to a buy a 7 x 5. Looks like I'll be keeping my billboard in the garage for a bit.

Stock plates are too big and 6 x 4's can still be read by ANPR so where's the problem.
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 29 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an 8x6 on the SV which I think is small enough Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 29 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louise wrote:
I have an 8x6 on the SV which I think is small enough Thumbs Up


I think 6 x 4 is too small personally, I won't go any lower than 7 x 5.
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PostPosted: 03:35 - 01 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is anyone able to provide some official documentation on number plate guidelines? I had a read through the strategy PDF and it doesn't actually quote any figures - I'll have a look tomorrow but if anyone has something to hand that would save me the trouble. I'd quite like to have some actual figures in case PC Plod decides to pull me over.

In fact thinking about it I was pulled earlier in the year and the copper remarked that it was nice to have a full size plate on a motorcycle for a change (I did at the time). I said that I was thinking of making it smaller, to which he said "hopefully not to a single line, as they are illegal". I said "no, just to a smaller square" to which he didn't respond - perhaps they aren't sure themselves?

Also,
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I think 6 x 4 is too small personally, I won't go any lower than 7 x 5.


How many more times do you want to remind us of your liking for 7 x 5 plates? Razz Mr. Green
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