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matlow
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Alarms Reply with quote

I need a thatcham Cat 1 for my bike but having no real experience of bike alarms i'm not sure which one to get.

Any recommendations or horror stories? some alarms seem very weedy in the db output and the like.
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imabikr
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got the DataTool S4 on my bike, not had any problems with it. Although it can be annoying when it auto activates 30 secons after turning off the engine.. It makes filling up and washing the bike a pain

https://www.datatool.co.uk/consumer/products/products/index.php?product=system4_c1
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pigmo
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't mind me asking, why do you need an alarm?
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matlow
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

pigmo wrote:
If you don't mind me asking, why do you need an alarm?


Fair question, Normally i wouldnt but having a bit of a braney with my insurance company. Bikes a 57 reg R1 which i've insured through Bikesure, took the poloicy out online stated it didnt have an alarm fitted only the YISS imboliser. paid for the insurance in a oner as the APR was one arm one leg and my starboard testicle plus first refusal on my first born child. they have since come back and stated that the T and C's insist on a thatcham cat 1 alarm for my bike.

Severall arguments later and i either get a refund on the remaining insurance or i get an alarm fitted. I lose money if i get a refund whereas it costs me to get an alarm but i at least get something for my money.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair comment, its just that I think alarms are useless if they dont include a way of alerting you when you are away from your bike. ie it transmits to a pager thingy.
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fecking hate alarms. Not only do they have to be bodged onto the existing wiring (depending on ability of spanner monkey fitting it) but they also don't help if you leave the bike for any length of time. Oh and I once had to lug the old ZX-9 back to the dealer on the back of a flatbed because the fob had become 'out of sync' with the receiver unit.

Please don't get me started on the shitty bleeping when working on the thing either. Tut Tut Workshop mode should be SILENT you fecking morons..

In short if you must get one please make sure it's fitted by a decent place. And please don't get one that doesn't shut up, like my Datatool sytem 3 or whatever it's called...

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matlow
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

to be fair if i could get away without having one i probably would, my bikes a toy and its not as if i leave it outside work all day or leave it anywhere to be honest. i get it out ride it for the day and put it away again, planning a trip to the alps come spring and it may come in handy there i suppose. Do the pager alert ( i assume its a text) cost a yearly sub like for instance tracker??
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MarJay
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

matlow wrote:
to be fair if i could get away without having one i probably would, my bikes a toy and its not as if i leave it outside work all day or leave it anywhere to be honest. i get it out ride it for the day and put it away again, planning a trip to the alps come spring and it may come in handy there i suppose. Do the pager alert ( i assume its a text) cost a yearly sub like for instance tracker??


I don't think they do, I think it has a mobile sim in it which (iirc) is PAYG... but I might be wrong...
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trackers can be bought for about the same as alarms, more effective and less annoying (also more reliable).

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Severall arguments later and i either get a refund on the remaining insurance or i get an alarm fitted. I lose money if i get a refund whereas it costs me to get an alarm but i at least get something for my money.


Methinks you have not finished argueing yet, you should not be out of pocket in any way shape or form because they screwed up the quote Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the last year I have removed four or five alarms and I have another to do this weekend. All had developed a fault of one sort or another.

In the past I have had one alarm immobilise me at home, one whilst out for a spin, one caught fire while I was polishing the bike (I kid you not, plastic off, battery disconnected and wires cut in under a minute) which was just as well, God knows what would have happened if it caught fire while I was away, or riding it at 70 on the motorway Shocked

I've had one just stop doing anything and a mate has had one that would randomly disarm and rearm whilst riding along.

I hate alarms, although I've earnt a few quid removing them, and I have never had one fitted, just bought bikes with them on.

IMO, a decent BFO chain, lock and ground anchor will do far more to save your pride and joy and often gets the same discount with insurers.

Cheers

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MarJay
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.datatool.co.uk/snitcher/index.html

Apparently it has an output so you can text your bike and set the alarm off remotely... how cool is that??

But it doesn't say how much it costs to use...
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Datatool System 4 is the one that I would recommend. We've been fitting them at work since they came out (around 2 years ago iirc) and we've not had a single problem with one yet. You can get bike specific looms for most bikes which basically means that it plugs straight into the loom so no chopping of wires. It does arm after 30 seconds, but it shouldn't arm the motion sensors which means that it's not a problem when fuelling up. Winter/service mode is silent. You can get pager type units for them as well.
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imabikr
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

McJamweasel wrote:
Datatool System 4 is the one that I would recommend. We've been fitting them at work since they came out (around 2 years ago iirc) and we've not had a single problem with one yet. You can get bike specific looms for most bikes which basically means that it plugs straight into the loom so no chopping of wires. It does arm after 30 seconds, but it shouldn't arm the motion sensors which means that it's not a problem when fuelling up. Winter/service mode is silent. You can get pager type units for them as well.


i'd second a vote for the System 4, apart from the auto arming when filling up its all good.. even the filling up only becomes a problem when i forget its auto armed and set the thing off by turning the key!

Mine the version specifically for the triumph, so as mentioned no hacking the loom to bits, as far as i know it plugs into the existing loom with ease


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PostPosted: 16:04 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have the datatoll system 3 and its fookin loud. very good, you can turn the motion sensors off when you need to fill up and the like. it is sensitive which in my eyes is a good thing...
it goes off when you touch it or if anything electical is tampered with.
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matlow
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers all, much appreciated. Guess an S4 datatool it is then. let the googling for the cheapest price commence Very Happy
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, get a Meta M357T V2 - much better than a Datatool in my opinion. Do a search on the forum - there are loads of alarm threads on here. Thumbs Up
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