Any good sparkies? Indicators now work but are slow

[400bandit]

Hey all, I have come so far with my mini streetfighter project but have now come to a halt. I have gone for the classic twin bug eyes set up and now I don't want to make the clean front end look a mess by using the original clocks and loom (well just the front bit) I'm thinking a bicycle speedo (I know they don't have a back light dah dah dah...) And possibly the warning lights out of the old clocks. Here are more concerns/questions

Will there be any consequences if I don't use certain wires (like the ones for the rev counter and temp gage)?

Will the temp warning light work with out the gage?

Has any one done this sort of thing and was it hard?

All help and advice will be much appreciated, Joe
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(+ a XS650 in lots of pieces in my garage and other places...)

[baldy]

Im currently doing the same thing on my thunderace, i seems that the bike wont run without most off the wires connected. Ive not yet looked at it properly but ill let you know when i figure it out.
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[Cigaro]

In my experience the dash warning lights are totally independent, so there won't be any consequences.

I've rewired a Peugeot scooter and no, it wasn't hard.

[baldy]

On the thunderace, if you unplug certain things the bike wont run or display error codes. Plus there are far more wires and lights than on a scooter. If you look at the back of the clocks, the lights and everthing are all joined in one unit.
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[hmmmnz]

ive just done a complete custom loom on a streetfighter, it wasnt too hard, although time consuming, you can just unplug your clocks ect and tuck he wires under the tank, run the bike speedo,
and run the light wires out the front,
i would run a oil pressure light as well, small led somewhere or a little plate with a couple of idiot lights eg indicators and neutral light, you can just wirethem back to the plug under the tank in a nice tidy taped up group
easy really.
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[400bandit]

Hmmmz, your a genius, I didn't even think of that! You have just saves me a lot of bother. Only thing is now I have to find some room under there, it's pretty tight I can tell you, I've also gotta hide the coils in there and would really like to relocate the worlds ugliest thermostat that sits on top of the rad.
Bit of topic but has anybody had any experience with moving thermostats?

Joe
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(+ a XS650 in lots of pieces in my garage and other places...)

[hmmmnz]

have you got an external thermostat??
my zxr had one..... not any more though, i run an inline reducer to slow water flow. but have completly changed the rad to one with a built in filler cap as mine was part of the thermostat unit
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[400bandit]

Hmmmmz, you are fast becoming (in my eyes) somewhat of a legend! I have an external one and it looks crap, really letting my bike down at the moment Where can you get an inline reducer (or is it simply a section of pipe with a smaller diameter?) Obviously I would have to source another radiator too but that will be done cheaply on ebay me thinks, thanks Hmmmmz

Joe

P.s. I've nearly finished with the wiring, only came in cos I needed a number 2 really bad
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[chris-red]

Couldn't you just get one of those acewell digi units?

Far more effective and realiable.
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[400bandit]

I'd love to but im skint at the moment, I hope to in the future but for now, bicycle speedo will have to do

Joe
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[400bandit]

Right, I have extended various bits of my loom and it nearly works... So far I have Neutral light on when iginition is on, headlights all work as should and it spins over (Thoughs theres a lack of fluids so i only tapped the button). So, the problems, when the ignition is switched on the fan fuse (10amp) blows? and the indicators are up the spout. The right hand side flash but at half speed, I pretty sure all I have to do is put in a resistor (Got LED indi's at the front) on the right hand side however only the back one lights up and it just stays on, the front doesn't come on at all. The front does come on though when the headlights are turned on (it doesnt flash either). The instrument light that was in the old clocks lights up as should when the indicators are on (left or right)

Now I thought that the idicator itself may have been a problem so I swapped it for the right hand one and it does exactly the same as before only this time the left idicator works and the right doesnt. I'm pretty sure that that rules out the indicator itselt being at fault.

Any help will be much appreciated, I'm so close to finishing I an already feel the wind in my hair!

Joe

Oh and the horn works too
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(+ a XS650 in lots of pieces in my garage and other places...)

[stinkwheel]

Is the indicator wired up the right way round? LEDs only work with power going through them one way.

Probably a short circuit on the fan circuit somewhere, usually just a case of hunting it down.
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[hmmmnz]

as above,
as for the reducer, i got a smaller smaller inside diameter pipe and put it inline, i took a few goes changing the diameter to see if it would slow the water enough,
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[400bandit]

Right this is doing my nut, matters made worse by the fact that I am not too good with electrics
As it stands now... I have sorted out the blowing of the fan fuse (When extending the thermostat wires I mixed them up ) However, the problem of the indicators remains, no matter what I do, I've tried swapping round the wires on the indicator too. Also, another few problems to arise... The rear light (the brake light though) is on all the time, this might be down the the rear brake switch, I haven't had a look yet.

A very fustrated Joe
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(+ a XS650 in lots of pieces in my garage and other places...)

[hmmmnz]

there is a wiring diagram that i have just added to the wiring diagram thread for your bike
in fact, to saveyou searching
here is the diagram
https://images6.theimagehosting.com/albums/25068/bandit400-91-93.th.JPG

if you need i in colour let me know and ill make one up,
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[400bandit]

Thanks Hmmmmz but its for the FZR750 lol

Kickstart has very kindly messaged me one so tomorrow I will go ou there and and sort it once and for all (he says )

I'm kinda bummed at the moment, I really want it to be running by today, damn. The real deadline is now saturday about mid day, thats when I go back up to uni and wont have access to a decent sized garage and all his tools, thought over the holidays ive compiled a decent set (my halfords 120pc pro set being the main one )

Thanks for everyones help btw

Joe
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(+ a XS650 in lots of pieces in my garage and other places...)

[stinkwheel]

If you have the time, here is an excellent monologue on the subject of motorcycle wiring. I cannot recommend it highly enough, the guy knows what he is talking about.:
https://www.btinternet.com/~jhpart/bkwirec.htm
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[400bandit]

Stinkwheel, why did you have to do that, I was just about to go to bed, now im on my way to the kettle (Not a GT750 unfortunatly) the type that makes coffee. After a quick scan it looks pretty cool and I really want to learn a little about this for future projects (One for definate, a highly tuned XS650, well 840, to be re-phased, high comp pistons and all manor of other goodies clad in kenny roberts flat tracker form) the other is going to be a simple hard tail custom, I'd quite like to go XS650 as its simple and reliable and has what I consider a good looking motor - I'm soooo of subject its untrue

Thanks for all the info guys, Joe
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(+ a XS650 in lots of pieces in my garage and other places...)

[400bandit]

Ok, one last post before i got to bed, just having a quick look at the wiring diagram for my bike, the indicators have 3 wires going to them, the way the bike was when i got it (it had some silly aftermarket fairing with indicators) it only had the two wires from the indicators into the loom and this is what I have used... hmmm

Joe
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Current Bikes 650 Honda Bros, VTR1000 Firestorm // Past Bikes: Sachs Madass 50/110cc - Bandit 400 - FZR750
(+ a XS650 in lots of pieces in my garage and other places...)

[hmmmnz]

soory about that, i just saw your name as bandit 400 (they say tha assumption is the mother of all fuck ups )... thats very unusaual with the 3 wires
https://naes.afraid.org/images/fzrwiring.gif (its for a 600 but the 750 is very similar)
the blue wire seems to power another filament on the indicators when the power is turned on, don't connect that, tape up the end
black is earth,
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[stinkwheel]

It'll be redundant wiring from the American models. Some American vehicles have the indicators on all the time with a dull glow as 'position lights' with a brighter flashing on and off to turn.
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“Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.

[400bandit]

Well taking Hmmmmz advice, the left indicator used a blue wire so thats been ditched. I managed to make som sense of the diagram Kickstart gave (I think maybe because its a US some of the colours are different) And I now have indicators kind of working. They flash when they are suppossed to but at about half speed, any ideas?

Thanks for all the info guys, been lots of help

Joe
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(+ a XS650 in lots of pieces in my garage and other places...)

[stinkwheel]

Slow flashing usually means too much current draw or a flat battery.

You are using 2 LED and 2 standard flashers right? Try the rear one with a 10w rather than a 21w bulb and see what happens.

If they are flashing between 60 and 120 flashes per minute, they are road legal.
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“Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.

[400bandit]

Well thats what I thought, at the moment I'd say they are around 20 per minute. I'm thinking it may due to a flat(ish) battery. It's been sitting on the floor of my garage for about 3-4 weeks whilst i've been doing the bike up. I'll give it a charge and see.

Thanks as always, Joe
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(+ a XS650 in lots of pieces in my garage and other places...)

[400bandit]

I tried out 10W bulbs in the rear but that made matters worse, they just stayed on and didn't flash.
Charged up the battery and they are a bit faster but still not 60 per min, id say about 40-50 now. Any ideas? All else fails I'll just get a set of mini indicators

Joe
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Current Bikes 650 Honda Bros, VTR1000 Firestorm // Past Bikes: Sachs Madass 50/110cc - Bandit 400 - FZR750
(+ a XS650 in lots of pieces in my garage and other places...)