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PostPosted: 10:31 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Advice for riding in crap weather Reply with quote

Ello

As im pretty sure everyone over the last last week or so has noticed the weather has been absolute shite.
Lots of wind, rain and general nastiness - and this has started to affect my confidence a bit - especially cos ive only had my 600 for a month.

I had my first major skid (rear wheel lockup posted about on here) recently and since then have had a couple more (just little ones though - nowhere near as bad)- seems as though my rear brake it a bit keen so im now getting worried about using it in the rain. Does anyone else bother using their rear brakes or is there summot i can do to help stop it locking cos it really feels like i cant use it any more than literally resting my foot on the peg with no pressure?

Also im getting worried about wind and leaning the bike over in the wet. Had a few cases this morning where i had the bike lent over a little (seriously not a lot) and wind blast almost felt like it was gonna take the bike out from under me. hence i really didnt want to lean into corners / roundabouts at all and just ended up bimbling round them. Is there any way i can change my riding to help lessen this?

(p.s. ive slowed down quite a bit and am riding no where near as quickly as i would do in decent conditions)

All advice greatfully recieved.

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PostPosted: 10:59 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well realistically some days it would be better not to use it.

One thing which sounds odd but works is to avoid tensing up and over reacting to every little movement.
Keep your grip on the bars relaxed and don't worry so much about brief loss of grip or wind pushing you.

Try to keep your road positioning such that a slight change in intended route doesn't matter.(!)
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stay relaxed, be smooth, no sudden braking etc.
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 to relaxing! When it's windy, the best thing to do is relax/ be loose. This allows for your body to better naturally adjust the steering, whereas if you are stiff and tense, the movements will be jolty and less controlled.

As for bends, I find slowing down completely especially when it's wet helps.
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

garth wrote:
Stay relaxed, be smooth, no sudden braking etc.


As above and keep an eye on the road, avoid drains, white lines and overbanding. Carefull on roundabouts while keeping an eye out for deisel or oil going accross the carrageway.
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Re: Advice for riding in crap weather Reply with quote

mrbluesbox wrote:
Also im getting worried about wind and leaning the bike over in the wet. Had a few cases this morning where i had the bike lent over a little (seriously not a lot) and wind blast almost felt like it was gonna take the bike out from under me. hence i really didnt want to lean into corners / roundabouts at all and just ended up bimbling round them. Is there any way i can change my riding to help lessen this?

(p.s. ive slowed down quite a bit and am riding no where near as quickly as i would do in decent conditions)

All advice greatfully recieved.

Ta

Gaz.


erm you do realise that hanging off keeps the bike more upright and thus less likely to wash out? , but its a confidence issue ,
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

must admit probably was a bit tense this mornin, after i locked the rear wheel and then nearly got blown off so i can imagine that that didnt help and made eveything feel 10 x worse.
think im gonna try and play with my rear brake pedal to put it a bit lower so im not putting as much pressure on it and that might help stop the locking up thing.
unfortunately my bikes my only transport and i fecking hate pubic transport Smile so im gonna be on it unless it really is dangersous (ice, snow or gales n things).
ill guess ill get more confident eventually and just keep thing slower in the meantime Smile

i would kill for a dry road at the mo Smile
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at it this way, rear lockups are recoverable. Smile
Unlike when the front locks up.
Personally the worse the weather the more uou need to use the rear brake.
Also think further ahead and let the engine do most of the braking for you.

Good idea to adjust the rear so its a bit lower and takes your foot that bit longer to get there.
As to wind, not a lot you can do, make sure you dont have stuff flapping around.
You think a 600 is bad try a smaller bike, my divvy seem well planted in cross winds and that with a top box as well, compared to the 250's i used to ride.
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a few threads on here that give a realy good insight into riding through the winter / pants weather, with advice on everything from kit through to riding techniques... Might pay to check them out.

Winter Riding - Method's Perspective: https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=96152&highlight=winter+riding

Killa's Guide for the Winter Ride : https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=61629&highlight=winter+ride

Both got good karma reviews and a pretty comprehensive - definately worth checking out.
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:

You think a 600 is bad try a smaller bike, my divvy seem well planted in cross winds and that with a top box as well, compared to the 250's i used to ride.


Very true, my current bike's a Yamaha BT1100 and being unfaired and seriously heavy, even gale force cross winds over the moors don't bother it much.
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of all whats above ^
Just everything you do is less than when you're on dry roads.
Read the road ahead and behind you.
Be very attentive (As you always should be Embarassed ) you have 50% less vision. And other road users suffer the same. They canny see you either.
Stuff a microfiber cloth somewhere in the handle bars so you can give your visor a swift wipe every couple of minutes (try to look cool whilst you do it). Or get one of those useless wiper things you slide over your gloved finger.

I never use the rear brake unless helping the front, rarely. But if you are following the rule of 'take it easy' then you will not meet situations where you end up grabbing a handful of lever to stop.

No point in worrying about lean. Don't. Not worth it. Unless you are on a track and you over cook it you'll not meet your end horribly under a bus coming the other way.

Stop regularly for endless cups of tea or batter on till you get there.

Don't go too fast as you can't stop as quick on shitty road surfaces.
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finglonga wrote:
As above and keep an eye on the road, avoid drains, white lines and overbanding. Carefull on roundabouts while keeping an eye out for deisel or oil going accross the carrageway.


...while rubbing your tummy and patting your head Laughing Thumbs Up

The good thing is that the temperature has risen a little, tyres perform a lot better than you think around 10 degrees even when wet. Same applies to all weather and your bike, get them warmed up first, but after 5-10 minutes of solid riding you can surprise yourself cornering at angles.

It’s good to have your brakes responsive, I’ve got used to my new rear pads and braided lines, they are bloody strong. You’ll get used to the force needed, never stamp down on it. Wink
As you can see in my winter guide mentioned above, its all about progressive riding in these conditions. I approach a corner, asses the curvature and angle (looking for your point of direction) and think about how much I can go comfortably around it. Braking the bike sat upright is the safest and quickest way to slow down, don’t be caught short. Brake progressively towards the bend, change down if need be, take the bike into the lean calmly and let common sense dictate the rest.

I really want to do a Youtube series of this sort of thing. Wish I had the equipment. Sad

Edit:- (guide is in my sig) Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha! You've not lived until you'gve had the whole bike going sideways!!!!

and now I am done with macho bullshit for this thread


You are worrying too much

If the rear locks just lift your foot and then reapply the rear brake

Smoothness wins in winter. Smooth throttle on, cornering and braking will all contribute to keeping you upright.

Braking moves from a 70/30 front/rear split to a 50/50 front/rear split

Double your braking distances and likewise following distances.
On the ice double again at least...

Keep in mind things like cold tyres have less grip than you are used to, and as the weather gets worse they take longer to warm up.
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep your arms relaxed, drop your elbow below your hand and shift your body weight into the corner, this will keep the bike more upright.

Plan way ahead and brake lightly eariler than normal to give yourself more time to slow down. Keep your distance from the car infront.

I often do most of my commute lightly touching the rear brake now and again just from planning ahead. No need for heavy braking this time of year.
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barney wrote:
Keep your arms relaxed, drop your elbow below your hand and shift your body weight into the corner, this will keep the bike more upright.


If I drop ma elbows below ma wrists like this?
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
If I drop ma elbows below ma wrists like this?


Yeah, whilst leaning round a corner in the wet... easy Wink
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 25 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i would kill for a dry road at the mo Smile


THE ROADS WERE DRY THIS MORNING Mr. Green

and all i had to do was sell my soul lol
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 25 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Past week or so ive had to come home in bad weather. Relaxing dose help, take time to slow down sooner - my rear brake locks easy so I use 50/50 in the rain.
Almost lost the bike on a wet drain on a corner.
Im used to it now, rain used to worrie me alot at first, now I take it as it comes.
As for wind, be extra carefull on flyovers - Once I have been pushed into the other lane when I first got a 600, then the other last week where I almost went into the barrier.
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 25 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know if anyone else does this. I let my tyres down a couple of pounds in the winter months (although I don't ride much in winter) as It gets them warmer quicker and less liable to skid, wash out.

And the valid points about, relaxing whilst still keeping total concentration at all times.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 25 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't know if anyone else does this. I let my tyres down a couple of pounds in the winter months (although I don't ride much in winter) as It gets them warmer quicker and less liable to skid, wash out.


Cant believe i didnt think of that. not checked my trye pressure in a while and the last time i did they were over inflated cos i had the missus on the back.
ill be sorting that out at dinner cos that bound to have affected the bike - especially in the wet Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 25 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrbluesbox wrote:
not checked my trye pressure in a while and the last time i did they were over inflated cos i had the missus on the back.


Oh I'm sure she will be impressed if she knows how much you love her.
Is she a bit of a Heifer like? Shocked Wink

Low pressure will increase footprint slightly. But hardly worth the bother. Road tyre heat up normally pretty quickly anyway.

I ride all year round and never adjust pressure from std.

But if you want to.....
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 25 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dress warm

It dosn't make you a sissy or a girl - it's a safety issue.

If you are cold then you will be thinking about that instead of what is happeing around you, and if you get very cold your thinking processes (assuming you aren't a troll Smile) and reactions will slow.

Midway through my first winter I got my first cold weather gear and I was surprised at the difference it made to my riding.
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 25 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh I'm sure she will be impressed if she knows how much you love her.
Is she a bit of a Heifer like? Shocked Wink

Low pressure will increase footprint slightly. But hardly worth the bother. Road tyre heat up normally pretty quickly anyway.

I ride all year round and never adjust pressure from std.

But if you want to.....
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heheh not exactly - shes only 5 foot 4 and about 8.5 stone - shed kick my ass if she saw that though Smile

was just going off what they haynes manual sed - and pressure ent up 5psi at rear and 4 at the front.
is it not worth bothering in future if i carry a pillion?[/quote]
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 25 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrbluesbox wrote:
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Oh I'm sure she will be impressed if she knows how much you love her.
Is she a bit of a Heifer like? Shocked Wink

Low pressure will increase footprint slightly. But hardly worth the bother. Road tyre heat up normally pretty quickly anyway.

I ride all year round and never adjust pressure from std.

But if you want to.....
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heheh not exactly - shes only 5 foot 4 and about 8.5 stone - shed kick my ass if she saw that though Smile

was just going off what they haynes manual sed - and pressure ent up 5psi at rear and 4 at the front.
is it not worth bothering in future if i carry a pillion?
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 25 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

You wanna try riding my XR125 in this crap weather, especially last couple of days in the gales! Shocked Feels like I'm sailing rather than riding, and the cornering is sooo much slower - just in case that odd gust of wind decides to come and kick the bike out from underneath me as I'm leaning...

I've also gone through a few BIG puddles expecting the steering to be taken from my hands or something like in the car, didn't feel a thing though! Laughing (Apart from my bike boots that have now been smelly and damp for the past few days) Sick
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